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 on: April 26, 2015, 08:25:54 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by C_A
I'm not sure where the ideas of "Roman Catholic Commandments" comes from.  The "Ten Commandments" are exactly that.  okay, some of the verbiage is a tad different from translation to translation, but they remain essentially the same as when Moses brought them down.

The Church of Rome DOES have a catechism.  This works almost...(very almost), in the same way as some parts of the Talmud.

"Graven images" and "Mary worship", (along with, go figure, money), were issues that led to the Protestant reformation.  Keeping in mind the actual roots of the Catholic Mass, (not the theological but the practical - and no, I will not cover that here...find out for yourself), the images in question function the exact same way as Ashe explained they do for Norse, Hellenic or nigh any other religion.  A focal point.

The line is only crossed by images of "heaven and above", BTW.  Images of Mary, the saints, Christ, cum corporeum, are all "legit".

FS...Hermetic...agreed.

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 on: April 26, 2015, 02:32:09 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Firesong
Pretty cool...  :) I think I'd like the tattoo...

I'd debate the Kabbalah period though, he may be referring to Hermetic, rather than Judaic.  Orthodox Jews believe Judaic Kabbalah traces back to Moses' stone tablets, and the Ark of the Covenant(with Torah as well).

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 on: April 25, 2015, 06:28:27 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Jamni90
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments."

This is the second commandment. The Vatican itself has countless images and statues, and encourages the people to kneel before Mary........ and I'm stopping there.

Indeed. You found a contradiction there. Although i wonder if the new testament mentions the 2nd comandment. Like "Keep the sabbath day holy" is not mentioned in the new testament. Which is why they say "keep the lord's day holy" in the roman catholic commandments

Here is a chart on mythological and religious influence.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 06:24:01 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Draconis Rex
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments."

This is the second commandment. The Vatican itself has countless images and statues, and encourages the people to kneel before Mary........ and I'm stopping there.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 06:17:24 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Draconis Rex
Ashe beat me to the response so I have changed it. My original was much the same as what she said.

I will add though that all the Christian denominations use imagery for their representations and idols (some more than others); sculptures of the saints, Mary, the cross, the crucifix, chalice, wafers to represent the body of Christ and wine for his blood, and so on. So it's not strictly a Pagan practice, and bearing in mind what Ashe said about us not worshipping the object.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 06:13:43 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Jamni90
The statues, pictures, and other things we put on our altars symbolize archetypes, mythological heroes, nature or more often gods.  They just help us focus our worship.  We don't worship the things themselves.

It's perfectly possible, in fact common, to worship the Norse pantheon, the Greek, or any other gods without statues at all.  The presence of the statue or other representation when it occurs is an honor. 

It could be that "idol worshipper" feels belittling because of the way that phrase is used in our predominanly Christian culture. Also it seems to leave out the divinity that inspired the statue and makes us seem spiritually shallow or naive. Just a guess.

That makes sense. I'll keep it in mind.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 06:08:36 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Ashe Isadora
The statues, pictures, and other things we put on our altars symbolize archetypes, mythological heroes, nature or more often gods.  They just help us focus our worship.  We don't worship the things themselves.

It's perfectly possible, in fact common, to worship the Norse pantheon, the Greek, or any other gods without statues at all.  The presence of the statue or other representation when it occurs is an honor. 

It could be that "idol worshipper" feels belittling because of the way that phrase is used in our predominanly Christian culture. Also it seems to leave out the divinity that inspired the statue and makes us seem spiritually shallow or naive. Just a guess.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 05:57:33 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Jamni90
You've fired my curiosity a bit Jam, in what way do you mean "Pagans basically worship idols"?

Umm gods... somehow pagans gets upset when i say idols i think. Maybe because it feels like belittling it. But its like worshipping gods like "Norse gods" "Greek gods" basically.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 05:38:47 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Draconis Rex
You've fired my curiosity a bit Jam, in what way do you mean "Pagans basically worship idols"?

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 on: April 25, 2015, 03:41:13 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Well, I 'm afraid you're gong to be disappointed, Jamni 90. "Sex magic" is mostly about gender polarity and ensuring good crops, at least in Wicca. It's actually pretty tame.  That's about all I can tell you.

I suggest you find some good, basic books on the Craft and go from there.


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