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 21 
 on: May 21, 2015, 02:42:23 PM 
Started by Bastet31 - Last post by Bastet31
It's wonderful to have you here, Bastet.  Feel free to ask questions and have fun on the threads!

B*B*

Thank you so much Ashe :) Will enjoy exploring the forums. hope you are well? x

 22 
 on: May 21, 2015, 02:37:50 PM 
Started by Bastet31 - Last post by Ashe Isadora
It's wonderful to have you here, Bastet.  Feel free to ask questions and have fun on the threads!

B*B*

 23 
 on: May 21, 2015, 02:17:34 PM 
Started by Bastet31 - Last post by Bastet31
Hello!!!

First of just want to say thank you so much for accepting me onto your wonderful forum. Came across this website and was immediately drawn 2 it  :)

My name is Bastet(username), However you all can call me Ursula if you want! I'm 23 yrs old, an Aquarius with Virgo ascendant, capricorn in moon and venus. I've always been drawn to the Supernatural and Philosophical side of life. I'm a very old soul, so I know there is more out there to learn and explore.

I'm raised a Catholic and I'll be honest, I still hold true to my believe in Jesus and the Virgin Mary plus Angels and Archangels but I have deeper faith in the divine spirit and I do believe that either energy can be female or male based and both. So yes, I do believe that Goddesses are EQUALLY just as important and divine--- That is one of the main reasons that I was drawn to Wicca... I appreciate that it is an Earth-based Religion and that is about healing, looking after human kind and Mother Earth. I respect all faiths and religions (never would judge, everyone is entitled to their faith) saying that though I don't always go to mass because I strongly believe it doesn't make you any less of a good person and I don't always agree with the catholic church's oppressive manner and views.

I have strong Psychic and I am actually developing mediumship abilities to (I am a member of a Spiritualist church, alongside with mum) we both attend a weekly closed mediumship class on tues... which I love as I'm on a lovely Spiritual journey full of learning.

However the past few months, I have been drawn to Wicca as I feel I can strongly relate to it. ( I was a witch in 1 or 2 of my past lives) and I do possess healing abilities (in the early stages of it though). My mum is very much like me to, we both have strong Psychic and mediumship abilities and she also has a strong interest in Wicca as well :)

I also have a strong affinity for cats, absolutely love them, such Magickal individuals who are much more wiser than us, in my opinion lol!!

We haven't practised any magick yet because I did read one of your forums, regarding to do more research in Wicca and the history of it. So I did order two of your books that was mentioned and I am really enjoying the learning from it.

Well I am going to stop blabbering on and on now but I hope to hear and be in contact with you lovely people at some point :)

Blessed Be all )O(

 24 
 on: May 21, 2015, 01:43:50 PM 
Started by Bastet31 - Last post by Bastet31
Hello!!!

First of just want to say thank you so much for accepting me onto your wonderful forum. Came across this website and was immediately drawn 2 it  :)

My name is Bastet(username), However you all can call me Ursula if you want! I'm 23 yrs old, an Aquarius with Virgo ascendant, capricorn in moon and venus. I've always been drawn to the Supernatural and Philosophical side of life. I'm a very old soul, so I know there is more out there to learn and explore.

I'm raised a Catholic and I'll be honest, I still hold true to my believe in Jesus and the Virgin Mary plus Angels and Archangels but I have deeper faith in the divine spirit and I do believe that either energy can be female or male based and both. So yes, I do believe that Goddesses are EQUALLY just as important and divine--- That is one of the main reasons that I was drawn to Wicca... I appreciate that it is an Earth-based Religion and that is about healing, looking after human kind and Mother Earth. I respect all faiths and religions (never would judge, everyone is entitled to their faith) saying that though I don't always go to mass because I strongly believe it doesn't make you any less of a good person and I don't always agree with the catholic church's oppressive manner and views.

I have strong Psychic and I am actually developing mediumship abilities to (I am a member of a Spiritualist church, alongside with mum) we both attend a weekly closed mediumship class on tues... which I love as I'm on a lovely Spiritual journey full of learning.

However the past few months, I have been drawn to Wicca as I feel I can strongly relate to it. ( I was a witch in 1 or 2 of my past lives) and I do possess healing abilities (in the early stages of it though). My mum is very much like me to, we both have strong Psychic and mediumship abilities and she also has a strong interest in Wicca as well :)

I also have a strong affinity for cats, absolutely love them, such Magickal individuals who are much more wiser than us, in my opinion lol!!

We haven't practised any magick yet because I did read one of your forums, regarding to do more research in Wicca and the history of it. So I did order two of your books that was mentioned and I am really enjoying the learning from it.

Well I am going to stop blabbering on and on now but I hope to hear and be in contact with you lovely people at some point :)

Blessed Be all )O(

Xx 

 25 
 on: May 21, 2015, 08:53:06 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by marisol
Well written Twixt.

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 on: May 20, 2015, 09:24:41 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Twixt
Thank you, Ashe. I've always been one to try to see things from several perspectives. I know I don't always succeed, because until you've lived another person's life you can't truly know how and why they think, but I strive to at least be open in my mindset. This is one of the big things that has drawn me onto this path, because everyone here has striven to do the same, and is learning how to think for themselves, to make their own conclusions and to break out of the molds provided for people within the big name religions. However, what I really don't understand is why with every mild, innocuous comment made by someone following a BTW path, there is such instant outrage and cries of exclusionism, favoritism and claims that there is a "holier than thou" attitude present. Most of the posts I've read on this forum made by Trad followers are simply statements regarding the differences in what it takes to be part of a Tradition; they in no way claim to be superior, in no way say that their way is the only path to Deity and in no way imply that the rest of us are merely playing with candles and incense. Granted, I do believe that some more clarification would help to cement the difference, like I stated earlier; however, I trust the posts of you elders (you're the ones I've read the most) over some other people who seem to spew only bile, and generally contribute little to the forums other than to start or continue a fight on semantics. You all try to remain respectful, and more importantly neutral, in regards to informing a person that some of what they've read is wrong, and that not everything you read is the absolute truth (in regards to anything). It's like some facets of any religion; unless you have experienced talking in tongues or been to a service with someone who did, for example, you have no way of being entirely knowledgeable about the subject, especially when you start a conversation with someone who has experienced it.

Paganism, of any flavor, allows for difference; it sees difference as a good thing, as something to bring all closer to Deity, and allows for it in the belief that no one can walk the path that we are on. We walk this path together, yet separate. Our viewpoints will always be different, because of our backgrounds, our training, even the beliefs that we grew up with shaping our current viewpoint. Such a diverse outlook on this religion is what gives it its freedom and allows it to be the religion and spirituality we've come seeking. Trying to cram everyone onto the same path, Wicca or wicca, witchcraft or other flavor Pagan, trying to look down on any other path does a disservice to the whole. The diversity is what this path thrives on, what carries it on through the ages and what allows it to grow, instead of stagnating like some others. Going out of one's way to find fault with things in someone else's path is wrong; while it is hard to accept that not everyone will see the glass the same amount of full or empty that you do, looking at it from their perspective might give you better insight into WHYyou see it that way in the first place. And in the end, this insight and learning is what we are here to encounter, what will carry us forward into our journey, what will allow us to grow and continue on to the place we are meant to be spiritually.

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 on: May 20, 2015, 01:49:08 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Twixt that is one of the best posts on this subject I've ever seen, IMO.  Thank you so much.

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 on: May 19, 2015, 08:14:45 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Twixt
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The difference is in our praxis and in the nature of the gods that preside over our Traditions (and covens).  We do ritual and worship them in a very specific way that does honor to these particular deities.  This is what defines us. Something I'd add here is that the different BTW Traditions (Gardnerians, Alexandrians, Mohsians, Central Valley Wicca,some lines of Blue Star ) have slightly different practices, some have different deities, and we don't reveal this oathbound info to each other.  See, I THINK we have different gods, but I don't know since it isn't discussed outside our own Trads.  And I would never ask, nor does this bother me in the least.

All I'm trying to say is that secrecy doesn't necessarily equal elite.

Twixt, your posts have been great.  I'd like to ask something, if I may.  Does the secrecy of other non BTW Pagan traditions that I mentioned, such as Isian Witchcraft, NROOGD, Old Dianic, et al, bother you as well?

No, Ashe, it doesn't bother me at all. I stepped onto this path thinking that I wanted to find my own way, to find myself again through new eyes and new teachings. I've become so jaded when it comes to spirituality that this green path has given me a lot to think about and absorb, and I didn't feel comfortable trying to rush out and find a coven or group to join up with. I've merely been curious, what with everyone's insistence that there is such a huge difference between Trad Wicca and solitary wicca, what the real differences were with the Traditions. It had to be merely more than "secret teachings", since many of the authors that are quoted on this forum were from Trad covens. Knowing now that some of it has to do with the specific aspects of Deity Trads worship and the specific rites performed to those deities really helps clarify things. I think, if you who follow the Traditional paths would mention that it's not just secret teachings, that someone who joins would have to worship those specific aspects and perform specific rites to them (in general of course, not asking for specifics), then that might help others understand it isn't a "them vs. us" mentality. Not everyone wants to be told who to worship or how; since many new Seekers come from Christian backgrounds, that is exactly what we are trying to get away from. Knowing that Trad covens are based around those things would help clear the air a little, and make it seem like Trad Wiccans are less exclusive (though you are, and with good reason) and more selective due to personal preference of those who choose to follow that particular path. Then, it gives the choice "back" to the person seeking; instead of being told "no, you can't join our club", they can feel like they choose not to join because they still want the freedom of choice in whoto believe in, how to worship Them and when.

In all honesty (if I haven't confused everyone by this point...) I believe that the Traditional paths of Wicca are where the religion, insofar as the legally accepted aspect of it, is going to continue. If all the wiccans became solitary, it would be a good thing for witchcraft; some of those who follow the rede would, after a while, find it limiting and thus leave it behind. Others would maintain the rede and maintain their core of wiccanism; however, in neither case would the religion of Wicca be passed on. Solitaries might join up together for group rituals, might even take on students who come to them asking to be led; but, since our path is more about personal feeling in relation to Deity and how we worship and work the craft, every one of us has a different idea on who Deity really is, how They should be worshipped, when to worship, how to work the craft, etc. There is very little commonality beyond the basics in regards to solitary wicca. Traditional Wicca, however, is just that; by maintaining secrecy, they maintain the core tenets of the belief system and carry it on, thus perpetuating the religion for the future and ensuring that Wicca does have a future.And honestly, when people think of Wicca, they think of a more Traditional take on it:  everyone in a coven, performing rites the same way every time, following traditions that have been passed down from the HP/S. This idea in people's heads of what Wicca is leads them to Seek and ask questions and then to really discover for themselves what W/wicca can mean for them. So, to me, both have their place; both are needed, to fit into people's lives in ways that the other can't; neither is better or worse than the other and both are as legitimate a path as any other that leads one to find the Divine in oneself and nature.

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 on: May 19, 2015, 04:52:11 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by marisol
No one here has insisted that solitary's can not join a coven to learn all these secrets they feel denied them. It takes a lot of
learning and commitment to do so. This is something that a person must be willing to do. This includes the year and a day
study to even be considered admitted to a teaching coven and there are many out there. What many that feel denied from
Wicca need to realize is that they have to earn being excepted into a coven. We can't go to the store and pick it up like buying
groceries. It's not handed out on a street corner. It must be earned.

I understand the initial disappointment of not achieving immediate admittance or being told you can't learn oathbound info
unless you are taught in a coven. This does not stop solitary's from learning on their own and following Wicca teachings as
closely as possible. Get over the disappointment and go forward. There is much in the threads here that can help ya. Stop being
children. Wicca is not being denied, but you must work for it. If you think you can't achieve coven status, follow your heart.
Study wicca you can learn much on your own and being solitary is not a jail sentence. It's an opportunity to be who you really
are, an individual free to wander and have a satisfying journey. To be free to specialize your journey. If you feel that being a
solitary is not fulfilling enough then do the work to become a Wiccan.

I adore Wicca, I believe it to be the religion for me. Who knows I may cross the pond some day to join the coven I want. But
that may never happen. I have no problem with who I am today.   **Changed wording**

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 on: May 19, 2015, 03:53:17 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Draconis Rex
I would suggest that part of the resentment and confusion for newbies to Wicca, is that they believe that all the knowledge is there available to them; once they discover that some of it is foresworn, and they aren't going to get to that, they feel denied and excluded. That's a hard pill for someone to swallow when they start off thinking they can be true Wiccans.

So are you saying here that solitaries are not true 'W'iccans?  Because they are not part of a coven? 


Unfortunate choice of phrasing, my bad.

Being NOT a Wiccan myself I don't feel I am qualified to say who is or isn't Wiccan. I wouldn't say that being not covened stops one being Wiccan, it just means that a solitary follows their path as closely as they can to "tradition" and in their own way. This does not diminish them or their dedication whatsoever (besides, who wants to perform the "great rite" on their own?). I can drive bikes, cars, vans, buses and trucks, but I can't drive a juggernaut; it doesn't make me any less a driver.

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