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 on: October 17, 2014, 06:38:32 AM 
Started by Augadelume - Last post by Augadelume
Merry Meet all my name is Gage I am a noob and beginner I have always been drawn to nature and have read everything I can set my eyes on which unfortunately is not much due to the very small town I live in that is in the state of Tennessee but I refuse to let that restrict my learning and my furthering of knowledge I have to study and learn in secret due to my boyfriend not being accepting of my beliefs I hope to further what I know and learn from each and everyone who is willing to help me I would like to thank everyone in advance. Best wishes and Blessed Be

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 on: October 16, 2014, 09:59:34 PM 
Started by Harjilaz - Last post by TheGreenWizard
Hello and welcome to the boards!!  :D

You're going to learn a lot here at TCC, and I do recommend that you take some time to read what we have here. Definitely ask questions - IMHO, the only stupid question is one not asked - and take time to reflect on what you've read and learned. You'll enjoy it here and I can't wait to hear from you :)

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 on: October 16, 2014, 06:53:25 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Celtic Epona
You're not being long winded, it's a nice post.  BUT, you're talking about mundane teaching and I agree with you as far as that goes.  Esoteric teachers, particularly those who teach the Art, are in a different category.

I have to disagree. All knowledge is power and can therefore be abused.  What is the difference?  Both can be used for great good or great evil.  (Aren't you all wondering what it is I teach? LOL)

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 on: October 15, 2014, 04:57:51 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
 GreenWizard,  I appreciate your appreciation and thank you for your gracious reply. I broached a topic that can be a real powder keg and the maturity of your response speaks volumes.

BB

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 on: October 15, 2014, 04:04:44 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by TheGreenWizard
Greenie, I'm gonna say something, and I mean to cause no hurt feelings.  Deep breath. You can't self initiate.  It's impossible.  It's like trying to perform surgery on yourself - you must be initiated by some one who is her/himself an initiate.  However, you can self dedicate to the gods if you wish.

Scott Cunningham started this several decades ago when he advocated "self initiation" and it's been a boil on the bottom of Wicca and Neowicca ever since.  The later editions of Cunninghamls books on solitary practice have been changed to say self dedication, btw.

What usually follows in a discussion like this is a "Oh yeah???  Then who initiated the first Wiccan, huh???". Gerald Gardner initiated the first Wiccan since he founded the religion, in case the question was on the tip of your tongue.

There, I had to say it.  I won't belabor it or bring it up again but for the sake of seekers reading this thread I had to say something.

BB, thanks for letting me rant and I wish you joy on your path no matter what you decide.

Ashe, thank you for the words of advice. I do appreciate the thought behind it, and realize the word I should have chosen was dedication, and not initiation. Regarding the other parts (such as who initiated the first Wiccan) - it actually wasn't on the tip of my tongue. I'm currently reading Drawing down the moon by Margot Adler - quite enjoying it actually (though it can be dull at parts) - and she goes into that part a bit. Truly, I wish I had read the history portion (i.e., her book) before reading anything else. Oh well, c'est la vie.

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 on: October 14, 2014, 07:08:16 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Greenie, I'm gonna say something, and I mean to cause no hurt feelings.  Deep breath. You can't self initiate.  It's impossible.  It's like trying to perform surgery on yourself - you must be initiated by some one who is her/himself an initiate.  However, you can self dedicate to the gods if you wish.

Scott Cunningham started this several decades ago when he advocated "self initiation" and it's been a boil on the bottom of Wicca and Neowicca ever since.  The later editions of Cunninghamls books on solitary practice have been changed to say self dedication, btw.

What usually follows in a discussion like this is a "Oh yeah???  Then who initiated the first Wiccan, huh???". Gerald Gardner initiated the first Wiccan since he founded the religion, in case the question was on the tip of your tongue.

There, I had to say it.  I won't belabor it or bring it up again but for the sake of seekers reading this thread I had to say something.

BB, thanks for letting me rant and I wish you joy on your path no matter what you decide.

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 on: October 14, 2014, 06:48:01 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by TheGreenWizard
Samhain isn't a typical time for initiation, at least not in Wicca, because of the association with death and the underworld.  I'm curious why you chose it if you want to divulge. Maybe I'll see it from a different perspective.

Ashe, while it is true that Samhain is seen as a day for the dead and for us being closer to the underworld/spirit world, it is also a new year in the Pagan sense. I feel, for some reason, that Samhain will be an appropriate time for me to initiate myself into witchcraft/paganism. Furthermore, I distinctly remember reading that it is a suitable time to initiate one's self - maybe from Cunningham or from a different book I read... It's somewhere in this room of mine.

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 on: October 14, 2014, 03:43:44 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Valerie
We're having an early Hallween party as working on the date..but will put an offering out...I do have treats for any little ones who pass tho X and its a brilliant excuse for decking the house....would love to leave it like that !

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 on: October 13, 2014, 08:03:05 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Firesong
But that's exactly the problem.  An occult teacher's judgement could be swayed if they are strapped for cash and need a paying student in order to pay the rent. The student's stability, dedication, honesty and other traits should be the only consideration.

That's the moral universe I was referring to... if the teacher's judgement could be swayed, they shouldn't be teaching.  As a student, I have a choice, either to buy in, or stay away... I have my own responsibility to use my own best judgement.  Either way, it will be an important lesson to be learned; (I'm not arguing anyone's points... I think they all make sense...)

Since the craft boils down, in the end, to personal responsibility, I think a student of the craft or any other discipline, should embrace that responsibility as a first step.  It's basically what I'd tell someone who just bought a gun and had never fired one before.(exaggerated I know...)

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 on: October 13, 2014, 05:36:01 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Samhain isn't a typical time for initiation, at least not in Wicca, because of the association with death and the underworld.  I'm curious why you chose it if you want to divulge. Maybe I'll see it from a different perspective.

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