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 on: August 27, 2014, 03:42:33 AM 
Started by Iroriel - Last post by C_A
The only thing I hate to see is "card carrying" skeptics.  They reject everything, and see it as an elite intellectual process,

This is true of "card carrying" ANYTHING.  Atheists.  Vegans.  Republicans.  Democrats.  The Quebecoise, the IRA and the neo-nazis.

 32 
 on: August 27, 2014, 12:05:20 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by marisol
You and I and many more C. We may travel in a group or alone, we may recognize each other immediately or not at all. I've been told I'm a lunatic regarding reincarnation. I believe we are connected to each other as long as we wish to be. I believe we travel in a circle with all we hold dear, our connections can be endless, or broken to be as we wish them to be and reconnected when we seek to be with others.

We will never be alone unless we wish to be. We follow an endless procession, perhaps our journey is endless. At the end is all
we have ever expected to understand. Beside the door is the GOD. Passing through the doorway you are greeted by the Goddess.
Look to the floor and see the endless abbyss. Have no fear, expose yourself to your deepest fear, and fear has no power over you.
You are free.

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 on: August 26, 2014, 10:40:58 PM 
Started by Iroriel - Last post by Peridot
When I read books or articles, I annotate a lot. I note logical inconsistencies, compare and contrast related reading, fact check, draw little comics, and sometimes I just snark at the author. My margins are a chaos of post it's. I've found it very helpful to actually interact with the text instead of just glowering at it and thinking, "no, that's not quite working for me." If I find something I like I have a special blue color I use to make it stand out. Eventually the blue gets transcribed in another notebook. This works for me, and maybe it might help you?

Also, a wonderfully witchy friend of mine jokes and calls herself a 'science witch'. She's very logical and also a deeply spiritual person. It isn't impossible to find a balance between the two.
Yes! This is exactly what I was thinking of doing! It's so hard to keep everything in your head. It's also an excuse for me to get another really pretty notebook to write everything in ::) Also gosh I hope I'm lucky enough to find a 'science witch' I can talk to. I'd be interested to hear what she thinks of a lot of things.


I've found it to be a very helpful process. Did I mention that everything is color coded (not just blue for things I like). Things that really irk me are pink/red, things that seem questionable or inconsistent are orange, fact checking and comparisons are in yellow. This next statement may make me really unpopular, but ebook readers work really well for this. That way highlighting and long winded annotations don't wreck a perfectly nice book! It isn't ideal, and nothing compares to turning a paper page, but it is very practical.

There are so many pretty notebooks (if I had infinite money...)! ::) The one I scribble things in is very bright red with nice thick paper (I'm very fond of it, it's a mess). Eventually the things that make it past the red notebook will be transferred to my BoS.

Perhaps you should strive to become a 'science witch' (or any other moniker you prefer) yourself? You certainly seem to be headed that way. :)

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 on: August 26, 2014, 10:12:14 PM 
Started by Iroriel - Last post by Iroriel
Oh gosh first of all thank you all so much for your replies! They're all very helpful and I really appreciate it. I'm glad I'm not the only one skeptical of all this, and I'm glad I don't need to try to give up anything to be on this path.


From what I can see, perhaps it's not so much that you are sceptical, but maybe you are finding difficulty in accepting what you discover, and what could be a new role for yourself as a seeker.
Yeah, I think this is completely right. I confused and placed the blame on my skepticism but I think you're right in that I'm just having a hard time accepting what I'm finding. It certainly doesn't help always hearing everyone calling anything slightly mystical complete bs and anyone having anything to do with it entirely discredited and crazy..  :'(

When I read books or articles, I annotate a lot. I note logical inconsistencies, compare and contrast related reading, fact check, draw little comics, and sometimes I just snark at the author. My margins are a chaos of post it's. I've found it very helpful to actually interact with the text instead of just glowering at it and thinking, "no, that's not quite working for me." If I find something I like I have a special blue color I use to make it stand out. Eventually the blue gets transcribed in another notebook. This works for me, and maybe it might help you?

Also, a wonderfully witchy friend of mine jokes and calls herself a 'science witch'. She's very logical and also a deeply spiritual person. It isn't impossible to find a balance between the two.
Yes! This is exactly what I was thinking of doing! It's so hard to keep everything in your head. It's also an excuse for me to get another really pretty notebook to write everything in ::) Also gosh I hope I'm lucky enough to find a 'science witch' I can talk to. I'd be interested to hear what she thinks of a lot of things.

...and dragons (well, maybe not dragons ..... but that's another story)...
I'd be quite interested to hear this story sometime :D

I would say; trust your own judgement, your own information, your own intuition; but always be ready to change your ideas, when new information comes along. Don't let your own judgement harden into dogma.   
Thank you. That's probably something I need to work on in some areas.

If you're not skeptical at first, you're doing it wrong.  It's healthier that way.

Once it starts working, you'll start seeing.  Once you start seeing, you'll start believing.  Once you start believing, it will start working.  Once it starts working, you'll start seeing.  If you can follow that, then you're doing it right.  You'll realize, one fine morning, that your skepticism is a memory.
Oh I'm so happy you saw this post and replied. I'd kinda been hoping you would, as you seem to be the sort of grandfather-to-get-things-straight around here c: But yes, this is essentially what I had been thinking would be how it would progress. I think my concern is that, even when it's working, how would I know that it happened because it worked and not that it was just something that would have happened regardless..?

Skepticism is the turning of a page, seeking  the words on the next, and expecting something exciting.
True that.

One thing I've never been skeptical about is the existence of a higher intelligence, and each creatures spiritual link to it.  I believe it because I see it in the complexity of the smallest living thing to the highest mountain.  I feel it... the feeling came from spending hours and hours in the woods, and down creeks when I was a small boy.  I never knew why anybody went to church, because the wonder of creation was just about everywhere else.
I know I'm with you on that. To get rid of any doubt I think I just need to go outside more often  :-p

The only thing I hate to see is "card carrying" skeptics.  They reject everything, and see it as an elite intellectual process, being above those silly "believers".  As Atheists, they feel the need to eradicate any form of stupid religion or any reference to it, though most have problems mainly with Christianity, probably because they don't really understand it.  Hell, most church-going Christians don't understand it.
I can only hope I didn't used to come off this bad, but I know that phase is definitely something I'm not really proud of. I'm definitely glad I grew out of it, but I do think it was (unfortunately) what I'd needed at the time  :-\ At least I had the decency never to actually be rude or mean to anyone about their beliefs.. ">_>

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 on: August 26, 2014, 12:43:48 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by MoonlitWings
I believe when we pass on we will be pleasantly surprised by the fact that the bakery never runs out of brownies. ;D

H, lol XD

And I am so sorry to hear about your mother *hugs* Alzheimer's is a terrible thing to go through, for both family and the person who has it. My grandfather's dementia is getting worse and I doubt I will be able to visit him again before its his time to depart from this world. All we can do is hold onto the memories of the happiness and love with our loved ones.

H, if you do pass (and hopefully not for a long time), just keep a look out for a vegan bakery and when I see you on the other side, show me the way xD

 36 
 on: August 26, 2014, 11:36:09 AM 
Started by Arnemetia - Last post by Celestrial
ty...enjoying so far

 37 
 on: August 26, 2014, 11:34:26 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Celestrial
Its a sad time yes and hard,I lost both parents to cancer, but it is also a time to refleck and remember the good times , the laughs you had togther and just knowing they are not in any more pain is the best thing. Also I know they are out there somewhere watching over and protecting me...so that gives me comfort too xoxoxo

 38 
 on: August 26, 2014, 09:03:10 AM 
Started by Iroriel - Last post by Firesong
I wouldn't call myself a skeptic... but I constantly question things, and reconcile them with knowledge.  I was once skeptical of the "Big Bang" theory, but through research, and examining the science, I've found it makes sense, but to understand it, you need to study it's exact mechanics.  There's a reason why it happened, and there is evidence in long range x-ray scans by deep space satellites that infer when it happened, and how it proceeded.  From a purely scientific perspective, it makes good sense, but you have to understand the science.

The interesting thing about the "Big Bang", is the evolution of the elements, and that every element in our body is incredibly old; if you have a gold ring, the gold came from the supernova of a star.  That's where the heaviest elements were forged.  Every single element ties to the beginning.

One thing I've never been skeptical about is the existence of a higher intelligence, and each creatures spiritual link to it.  I believe it because I see it in the complexity of the smallest living thing to the highest mountain.  I feel it... the feeling came from spending hours and hours in the woods, and down creeks when I was a small boy.  I never knew why anybody went to church, because the wonder of creation was just about everywhere else.

The only thing I hate to see is "card carrying" skeptics.  They reject everything, and see it as an elite intellectual process, being above those silly "believers".  As Atheists, they feel the need to eradicate any form of stupid religion or any reference to it, though most have problems mainly with Christianity, probably because they don't really understand it.  Hell, most church-going Christians don't understand it.

It's not bad being skeptical, it's only a problem if you continue to reject something on principle, even when a good amount of available information exists to the contrary.

What amazes me is that a person will be and Atheist, and a skeptic, but be all in on anthropogenic global warming, taking second and third person information, or believing because someone with the same agenda said so.

When you examine the science, you can see the flaw in the method, and why the hockey stick graph is ludicrous, but people will be skeptical about everything else under the sun, but rabidly believe in it, having never done any real research, but accepting it because they say everyone else does...  That isn't skepticism, it's just a reversal of faith, and, from my perspective, intellectually flawed.

I think it comes down to this:   believe what you feel... you can't just choose something to believe in (or not)
 

 39 
 on: August 26, 2014, 06:41:03 AM 
Started by An tAthair - Last post by Draconis Rex
Welcome back Mari, nice to see you with us again.

 40 
 on: August 26, 2014, 05:36:02 AM 
Started by An tAthair - Last post by marisol
Trees are very special to me also, I think everyone knows this to be true. I'm partial to blackberry wine.

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