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 on: October 12, 2014, 07:14:26 AM 
Started by Harjilaz - Last post by Celestrial
Welcome to TCC

 on: October 12, 2014, 07:13:09 AM 
Started by Lonan - Last post by Celestrial
Welcome to the Forum..its a great place with wonderful people 

 on: October 12, 2014, 07:10:14 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
You're not being long winded, it's a nice post.  BUT, you're talking about mundane teaching and I agree with you as far as that goes.  Esoteric teachers, particularly those who teach the Art, are in a different category.

 on: October 12, 2014, 04:43:02 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Celtic Epona
I know that what we do comes back to us.  That I don't debate.  Where I think we disagree is in the issue that we are responsible for the actions of someone else because we taught them.  I don't believe that.  Are we responsible for the mistakes of those under our care?  Absolutely, but every fledging must some day fly on their own and when they leave the nest, as we all must, they are responsible for their own actions.  To think otherwise is just a way to blame some one else for our screw ups and allowing others to blame us for their screw ups.  We see that a lot with people who want to blame their crappy lives on their parents, spouses, etc.  This is my opinion.  There must be a point where a person takes responsibility for their actions and stands up to say "oops my bad let me handle this."

Again this is my opinion and a button for me as a teacher (trainer at work).  I have had people look at my trainees and shake their heads and say "nope, I know your trainer.  You were taught this."  Their willful negligence does not reflect on me.  Of course by the same token I also refused to sign off on some students because I refused to be responsible for their being in a job that they don't have the proper respect for.  I believe that it is your own integrity that comes back on you, not the actions of the student.  When one goes off course, I always have to ask myself if I knew this would happen and ignored it.  If so, then yes, I am responsible for what they have done because I failed in my job.

Sorry for the longwindedness. 

 on: October 11, 2014, 08:30:39 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
CE, I reread your post and wanted to clarify something.  IMHO the student's decisions are not wholly the responsibility of the teacher.  It's the ramifications of those decisions that the teacher shares if you believe in karma and the three fold law, which i realize not everyone does or interprets in the same way.  I happen to believe that a magical teacher will garner the effects of his/her students' acts.

 on: October 11, 2014, 08:00:44 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Though teachers of the Craft strive (hopefully) to behave ethically, there are no saints in our path and teachers are as vulnerable to temptations and the mundane pressures of everyday life, such as being able to pay one's bills, as anyone else. A teacher may not have ever intended to let money sway their judgement, but Craft teachers and even HP/S's have the same human frailties as other people.  Not accepting money for teaching serves the Craft well.  Making money serves the individual, and should not influence decisions such as whether to accept a student who wanrs to learn the Craft, and how much they should be taught.

In many paths and magical traditions the teacher shares responsibilities for the magical acts of the student at least until initiation and sometimes beyond.  This encourages the teacher to be mindful about which student is taken on, and what s/he is taught.  I think this is very wise.

 on: October 11, 2014, 07:22:16 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Celtic Epona
I disagree that the decisions of the student are the responsibility of the teacher, but at the same time I don't knowingly teach people who are going to go bad places with the knowledge I give them.  And if money would sway a person to teach such, then they have already made their decision on hat path to walk, haven't they?  would I teach for money?  Probably not, but not because of the money issue.  I just don't like people enough to want to have that much interaction with them.  :-p

 on: October 11, 2014, 01:10:20 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
But that's exactly the problem.  An occult teacher's judgement could be swayed if they are strapped for cash and need a paying student in order to pay the rent. The student's stability, dedication, honesty and other traits should be the only consideration.

 on: October 11, 2014, 07:59:08 AM 
Started by Draconis Rex - Last post by Bardon Keene
That kind of makes Strong  Agnostics and Humanists the same then?

Not really. I'd say that Humanism and Strong Agnosticism are compatible, but certainly not identical.


Thanks for pointing this out Alchymist  ;D

 on: October 11, 2014, 07:57:28 AM 
Started by Blackmoons Owl - Last post by Amberhawk

Definitely can support this. I can honestly say I'd definitely recommend her over (dare I say the name...) Ravenwolf by far. She also has a more recent book (as of a few years now) out with her partner Azrael Arynn K that follows along the same lines.

Hi Myrea!  I recommend Amber K's True Magick.  She doesn't come up on as many most recommended lists as she should, and her books on CovenCraft and Crafting Ritual are also very, very good.

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