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 41 
 on: October 25, 2014, 08:02:02 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by FW
As I alluded to earlier, this might be a local cultural or sociological truth for you and those in your immediate locale, but it is certainly not the general consensus from a religious standpoint.  If you want to make a statement that in your neck of the woods that culturally or sociologically, those of Protestant or Catholic heritage are not necessarily Christian, then by all means, do so. I'll offer no rebuttal.

That said, when you claim something is universal Truth based on your own experiences, you are likely to be challenged and your claim is at risk of being proven otherwise.

 42 
 on: October 25, 2014, 07:51:17 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by Draconis Rex
I don't need a citation; I was born as a Protestant into a Protestant family, it was stated on my Birth Certificate..... I am not a Christian! It really can't be put any more simply than that. In this country that is how it is, it is (as earlier stated) a cultural construct.
 
Capitalising a single word is an emphasis on the word not a support mechanism of a statement, I choose more frequently to do it that way than to underline a word; it serves the same purpose.

 43 
 on: October 25, 2014, 07:36:09 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by FW
Lets wind back a little; NOT all Catholics are Christian, NOT all Protestants are Christian...However all Wiccans ARE Witches.

That's where you're wrong (in the first two statements). Typing words in all caps does not support an argument.  I've already provided a citation for my stance and am able to provide many more if need be.  Let's see yours.  In other words,


 44 
 on: October 25, 2014, 07:25:47 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by Draconis Rex
It was implied in an earlier post that Catholics were Christian (if I remember rightly) that's how that came about.

 45 
 on: October 25, 2014, 07:24:12 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by Draconis Rex
Hi Alchymist, welcome back to the boards.  ;)
 
Saying all Catholics are Christian is like saying all Protestants are Christian. It's also like saying all Witches are Wiccan, and they are not!

Actually, you got that backwards.  Saying all Catholics are Christian is like saying all Wiccans are witches.  And both are considered to be accurate statements.  As is all Protestants are Christian.  Protestantism is actually a split from Catholicism.

Lets wind back a little; NOT all Catholics are Christian, NOT all Protestants are Christian, NOT all Witches are Wiccan, However all Wiccans ARE Witches.
 
Protestantism was a break away from Catholicism true, but it became it's own religion however the two are no longer really compatible.
 
 
Firesong has hit the nail on the head for me, Thank you FS. Cultural is exactly the word I couldn't find. This is the UK where it goes back into history so far that it is an ingrained aspect.
 

 46 
 on: October 25, 2014, 07:23:42 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by FW
While I appreciate your take, how does this relate to Catholics and Protestants being Christian? 

Moreover, I'd be interested in an elaboration on

Being Protestant or Catholic was what you were born as or into, similar to being born as black or white, or as Irish or Scottish. It did NOT mean you had anything to do with being a church goer or a Christian or anything at all like that. It was the religion of your predecessors.

With no intention of being obtuse, this makes absolutely no sense to me.
If I may, and not to intrude... I think Drac is saying it's cultural and sociological, as much or maybe more than really religious; history and tradition play a great part.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, though...

If this is indeed the case, I was speaking from a religious standpoint.  I'm not sure of the relevance of cultural or sociological conjecture ITT.

 47 
 on: October 25, 2014, 07:10:28 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by Firesong
While I appreciate your take, how does this relate to Catholics and Protestants being Christian? 

Moreover, I'd be interested in an elaboration on

Being Protestant or Catholic was what you were born as or into, similar to being born as black or white, or as Irish or Scottish. It did NOT mean you had anything to do with being a church goer or a Christian or anything at all like that. It was the religion of your predecessors.

With no intention of being obtuse, this makes absolutely no sense to me.
If I may, and not to intrude... I think Drac is saying it's cultural and sociological, as much or maybe more than really religious; history and tradition play a great part.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, though...

 48 
 on: October 25, 2014, 06:34:21 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by FW
While I appreciate your take, how does this relate to Catholics and Protestants being Christian? 

Moreover, I'd be interested in an elaboration on

Being Protestant or Catholic was what you were born as or into, similar to being born as black or white, or as Irish or Scottish. It did NOT mean you had anything to do with being a church goer or a Christian or anything at all like that. It was the religion of your predecessors.

With no intention of being obtuse, this makes absolutely no sense to me.

 49 
 on: October 25, 2014, 06:23:20 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by Draconis Rex
.... And this is why it is an odd argument. :-p
 
I shall try and explain my take on this better if I can;  Being Protestant or Catholic was what you were born as or into, similar to being born as black or white, or as Irish or Scottish. It did NOT mean you had anything to do with being a church goer or a Christian or anything at all like that. It was the religion of your predecessors. My RELIGION was a Baptist. If you were Catholic you were expected to support Hibernian or Celtic (football teams) If you were Protestant you were expected to follow the Hearts or Rangers and so on. In the end it was nothing more than a tag.

 50 
 on: October 25, 2014, 05:32:15 PM 
Started by Bardon Keene - Last post by FW
Okay, I guess it would have behooved me to read the rest of the thread regarding this debate before replying.  But opinions aside the consensus, axiom or whatever you call it is Catholicism and Protestantism are two of the three major branches of Christianity (the third being Eastern Orthodoxy).

Here's a citation...



And here's evidence to what I said above...

http://www.patheos.com/Library/Protestantism.html


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