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 on: September 02, 2016, 02:27:18 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Many people say "Thou art God/dess" before cakes and ale so to some this could be redundant. Especially if you perceive the deities as archetypes or projections of our own human qualities.

Speaking as a Pagan, what I find problematic is the notion that the gods are somehow on a higher spiiritual plane. To me, Paganism is a celebration of earth and the gods are extensions of this.  They're on another plane, but not necessarily a "higher" one, .

This is a great topic, but to me it reflects a more eastern or even Christian POV than my vision of Paganism can handle. 


 on: September 02, 2016, 12:51:58 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Nymree
This is hypothetical, and based purely on the idea that gods are ascended beings/mortals. We're assuming here that human beings are capable of ascending to godhood, which is where the discussion could come in.

My thoughts are, if ascension to this higher state is possible, and that is what (at least some) gods are, why shouldn't we strive for godhood? I can understand that arrogance is destructive, but in consideration of the whole concept surely it would make sense to work towards and encourage aspirations for godhood, rather than shunning the idea that mortals can become gods?

Then, you also have the whole "mad with power", god-complex issue. And I suppose just trying could be enough to drive someone mad.
But I often see or hear of the idea of striving for godhood shunned and seen as arrogance, rather than as a legitimate spiritual aspiration. But, why? I'm more curious as to why this aspiration would be a bad thing, other than for the previously listed reasons.

I'm not looking to become a god(dess), of course. It's just more of a shower thought. And I'm sorry that this discussion does make a few leaps and assumptions, but working with those in mind; what makes aspirations to godhood necessarily bad?

Blessed Be,

 - Nymree

 on: September 01, 2016, 11:30:47 AM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by marisol
Congratulations Myranda. Sounds like a huge opportunity to help the community. Good luck.

 on: September 01, 2016, 11:26:12 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by marisol
I found the study of mythology to be helpful. I started out identifying with the Lord and Lady. But as my path evolved so did the deities. It's different for everyone. I can't say this one first and this one or that one next. Finding the deity/deities is part of the journey we take and is not written in stone. So, I would say research carefully. Expect changes and embrace your path.


 on: August 30, 2016, 09:21:37 AM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by Amberhawk
Wow, congrats to her and good luck indeed!  Because most of those things are so very individual and personal subjects it would be difficult to come up with answers that would be fairly standard.

 on: August 29, 2016, 07:19:10 AM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by Mystik Witch
WOW! Good luck with this. Energy is being sent your way. I wish you all the best in this new adventure! BB! MW

 on: August 29, 2016, 12:23:56 AM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by Alchymist
My wife Myranda is now, officially, the Pagan Chaplain at our local hospital. She has been requested to provide a short description of what it means to be a Chaplain for Pagan patients. Quoting from an email message sent from the head honcho Chaplain.....

.... once our Sacred Space is built, we're going to have an opening ceremony .... and hand out a leaflet to all hospital staff that come for the open house. .... Specifically, we're asking that a representative from each faith group interested in being included in the leaflet would answer the following question in 50-75 words: "If I'm caring for someone from your faith community, what is the most important thing I need to know?" .... A few suggestions might include your views on prayer, meditation, diet, special medical procedures .... medical assistance in dying, organ transplants, autopsies, and life support.

They don't ask for much, do they?

Well, if anyone on the Forum here has any suggestions as to what might be included, we'd be very grateful. Either a pm at or here on the Forum.

Blessed Be everyone,


 on: August 27, 2016, 02:52:09 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Alchymist
Dismissing the Morrighan; really? Well, hopefully he, whoever he is, might learn something from the encounter ...... or not. Probably not, if he starts out with that attitude. I hope he has a kind, knowledgeable friend who can help him climb out of the hole he's likely to be digging for himself....

In Taoism it is said that "The Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao." Well, analogously, it could be said that "The Morrighan who can be dismissed is not the true Morrighan.' If you want to invoke the Morrighan you'd better know what you're doing. I've only ever seen it done, successfully, once, by a very brave and strong woman of my acquaintance. It required a whole day of intense preparation. A normally averagely attractive youngish woman, she became scarily ancient and crone-like, her normally brown eyes became a thundercloud grey, her voice became harsh, almost guttural, and sibylline, she spoke of things some of us felt better left unsaid......  you don't return from such an ordeal unchanged. It is, in a very real sense, a genuine Initiation - not to be undertaken lightly.

Blessed Be all invokers of ancient Goddesses,


 on: August 27, 2016, 05:56:29 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Amberhawk
My own suggestion would be to make mythology a primary study early on and until they find themselves drawn to specific ones, the generic "Lord" and "Lady" be ok for the start if they feel a drive to do have something to direct attention to and work with. As they become more comfortable with the regular honoring of the only switch would be to shuffle the devotionals to suite those deities. There is no rush here. I realize the excitement can be overwhelming. Trying to focus that excitement into learning would be better in the long run.

 on: August 26, 2016, 11:58:51 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Alchymist
Gog and Magog, are, or alternatively Gogmagog is, whoever or whatever you want them/him to be, it seems; from a pair of demons in Muslim mythology, to the guardians of the City of London, to (obscurely) Biblical references to Russia and China (!!)

According to :-
"Gog and Magog symbolize a worldwide Satanic confederacy that will attack the New Covenant Israel before the end of time."

.... whereas according to :-

"One of the legends of Gog and Magog explicitly concerns London. As with most legends, there are variations on the theme, but a popular one goes that Gog and Magog (or confusingly Magog and Cornelius) were two monstrous giants, the product of the 33 wicked daughters of Roman emperor Diocletian and certain demons they'd been canoodling with. As he founded New Troy (which would become London), the heroic Brutus tamed the two colossi, forcing them to serve as guardians of the city by chaining them outside his palace, the site of which is now Guildhall. Of course, the tale is nonsense, but somehow the legend lived on, and the duo continued to be associated as the city's guardians. The effigies of 'Gogmagot the Albion' and 'Corineus the Britain' were recorded as appearing at the coronation of Elizabeth I in 1558 (where exactly, it isn't clear), while the giants were already making appearances at the Lord Mayor's Show by 1554.
While originals, made from papier mache, went up in smoke during the Great Fire of London, the replacements were gnawed away by mice."

Another legend I've heard is that they were father-and-son Celtic chieftains, Gog and MacGog.

Good Ol' Uncle Google gives links to hundreds more possibilities; take your pick - or invent your own legend!

Blessed Be,


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