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 on: October 11, 2014, 08:00:44 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Though teachers of the Craft strive (hopefully) to behave ethically, there are no saints in our path and teachers are as vulnerable to temptations and the mundane pressures of everyday life, such as being able to pay one's bills, as anyone else. A teacher may not have ever intended to let money sway their judgement, but Craft teachers and even HP/S's have the same human frailties as other people.  Not accepting money for teaching serves the Craft well.  Making money serves the individual, and should not influence decisions such as whether to accept a student who wanrs to learn the Craft, and how much they should be taught.

In many paths and magical traditions the teacher shares responsibilities for the magical acts of the student at least until initiation and sometimes beyond.  This encourages the teacher to be mindful about which student is taken on, and what s/he is taught.  I think this is very wise.

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 on: October 11, 2014, 07:22:16 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Celtic Epona
I disagree that the decisions of the student are the responsibility of the teacher, but at the same time I don't knowingly teach people who are going to go bad places with the knowledge I give them.  And if money would sway a person to teach such, then they have already made their decision on hat path to walk, haven't they?  would I teach for money?  Probably not, but not because of the money issue.  I just don't like people enough to want to have that much interaction with them.  :-p

 73 
 on: October 11, 2014, 01:10:20 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
But that's exactly the problem.  An occult teacher's judgement could be swayed if they are strapped for cash and need a paying student in order to pay the rent. The student's stability, dedication, honesty and other traits should be the only consideration.

 74 
 on: October 11, 2014, 07:59:08 AM 
Started by Draconis Rex - Last post by Bardon Keene
That kind of makes Strong  Agnostics and Humanists the same then?

Not really. I'd say that Humanism and Strong Agnosticism are compatible, but certainly not identical.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism.....



Thanks for pointing this out Alchymist  ;D

 75 
 on: October 11, 2014, 07:57:28 AM 
Started by Blackmoons Owl - Last post by Amberhawk

Definitely can support this. I can honestly say I'd definitely recommend her over (dare I say the name...) Ravenwolf by far. She also has a more recent book (as of a few years now) out with her partner Azrael Arynn K that follows along the same lines.

Hi Myrea!  I recommend Amber K's True Magick.  She doesn't come up on as many most recommended lists as she should, and her books on CovenCraft and Crafting Ritual are also very, very good.

 76 
 on: October 11, 2014, 07:24:51 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Amberhawk
I personally think that depends where you are learning from. I'm of the mind that time is precious and living is expensive. People do have bills to pay and materials for teaching can get quite expensive as well depending on how many people are being taught. In my mind it isn't the knowledge that is being paid for in such instances but the time and effort and materials.

All and all I honestly think that is between the individual an their patron Deities and the rules of that individual's religious or spiritual path.

 77 
 on: October 10, 2014, 08:33:36 PM 
Started by Lonan - Last post by Lonan
Thank you all

 78 
 on: October 10, 2014, 10:49:05 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Firesong
I find the stereotypes interesting, and use them to scare the hell out of the local kids on Halloween... tradition and all that... LOL  Guess I really am an evil old man;

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 on: October 10, 2014, 10:41:10 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Firesong
The major arguments against accepting payment are that the Craft is a gift from the goddess and should therefore be passed on to others as a gift, and (for those in initiatory traditions), it removes the possibility of initiation or elevation being bought. Even in teaching that isn't leading to initiation, if there's no payment it removes the question of whether esoteric information was passed on to to an inappropriate person because money was exchanged.  Some traditions and paths require that the student be properly prepared and worthy, and the teacher has a huge responsibility for the student and his/her actions. The training is not for sale.

I see your points... payment for training makes no sense, however payment for craft work would be dependent on your perspective.  I'm uninitiated, and belong to no organized religion; to me, EVERYTHING is an energy exchange, even if only good will is exchanged. 

Tobacco is one of the most sacred herbs in many American Indian cultures; if you go to an elder for guidance, it's traditional to trade something like tobacco in return.  I was once so excited and honored to meet a tribal elder, that before anything was discussed, I offered him a gift of tobacco.  His response was quite a surprise; he said, "Now what can I do?  I have nothing to give you in return".  I thought very quickly and said that I asked only for his guidance and good will.  That seemed to do it.

If one person gives of themselves, it only seems reasonable to me to return the energy in some form...

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 on: October 10, 2014, 04:56:07 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
The major arguments against accepting payment are that the Craft is a gift from the goddess and should therefore be passed on to others as a gift, and (for those in initiatory traditions), it removes the possibility of initiation or elevation being bought. Even in teaching that isn't leading to initiation, if there's no payment it removes the question of whether esoteric information was passed on to to an inappropriate person because money was exchanged.  Some traditions and paths require that the student be properly prepared and worthy, and the teacher has a huge responsibility for the student and his/her actions. The training is not for sale.

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