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 on: May 15, 2015, 09:51:10 AM 
Started by Draconis Rex - Last post by marisol
I adore wicca and use alot of it in my workings. I do not call myself wiccan because I'm not, but who knows what the future will bring.

 on: May 15, 2015, 09:36:16 AM 
Started by Mokey - Last post by Khara
All I can say is I will never ever use the Proud Pagan Parenting as a reference for ANYTHING again. 

If this is the level of research they do on their subjects before posting it is shameful.  Not to mention the spelling and grammar errors are enough to send me into Hitler mode.  Jester for gesture?  I'm appalled. 

The article is far to general with broad references that are simply not true.

Saints are actually wonderful transformations of the ancient gods into the middle age gods we are now more familiar with.

REALLY???  Maybe a more truthful statement would be Early Saints are transformations of the pagan gods.  PERIOD.  Middle aged gods?  Who are they?  I really want to know who these middle aged gods are, because now that I am middle aged I should probably start working with them.

Then this....

Today gods have evolved further, with celebrities, cartoons, fictitious characters from shows, movies, comics, books, etc.. all in ever evolving process that successful species and ideas go through.

To put these people and characters on the same level as gods is an insult to everyone's intelligence.  Show me someone who worships a damned cartoon or fictional character? 

Then there is.... A successful species?  Do tell what is the alternative to a successful species?  Because last time I checked it was freaking extinction. 

And my personal favorite..... 
They are less threatening to the mundane Christians than statues of our ancient gods. Yet they mirror their stories, their traditions, their behavior, their lessons and their influence on those who honor them.

Less threatening to mundane Christians.  That is certainly not condescending.....  And again putting the hundreds of catholic saints into the same category.  That is just incorrect.

The only thing I got from this article is that it was written by someone who took all of 3 minutes to read an article someone else wrote and change what was said into what they wanted it to say.  Us mundane Pagans are just as insulted as any christian or catholic would be by this article.

Again, shameful.

There are MANY excellent articles, books and reference guides written about how Catholicism incorporated the pagan gods and holidays into their structure in order to force the pagans to follow the catholic church. 

A couple of credible websites are:

As well as books that I have read along the way;

50 Years in the "Church" of Rome by Charles Chiniquy
The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop - this one makes everyone mad, a must read LOL
Understanding Roman Catholicism by Rick Jones

Here is the thing.  While I know modern Voodoo incorporates saints in their practices, they are, for the most part, the exception to the general rule of - we don't mix pantheons. How disrespectful is it to the christian god (if he exists) to worship saints from his pantheon in pagan practices which are not acceptable according to the bible.  Which we have to take as their main scripture.

I know that Raymond Buckland uses scripture in some of his works incorporated into the wording for spells.  I have never seen an interview in which he explains why but I have heard him laugh and say it was a slight to the catholic church once when asked.  How true that is or how much it was based on his alcohol intake at the time (which was great) is up for debate.  I've always taken it as tongue in cheek and his way of saying neener neener your own words work for my evil spells while thumbing his nose at christianity.  He's a horrible old lech with a wicked keen sense of humor so you never really know if he is joking.

The point being, and this is my well known and often stated opinion, you can mix pantheons of almost any flavor with the exception of the christian one.  It is disrespectful to the religion as witchcraft and the like are specifically addressed as wrong in their scriptures.

I truly hope I do not have to come back and explain my sarcasm so read more than once before you jump......  ;)  Just saying, you all are well aware I do my research before I state my case.

 on: May 15, 2015, 05:20:37 AM 
Started by Mokey - Last post by Amberhawk
I read the article, once but I don't think I'll read it again.
Mind you I did have a bit of a chuckle about St. Joan. Mainly because the catholic church had her burnt because it said she was a witch then some 400 years later they admitted they were wrong and made her a saint.

No mention was made about who created the catholic church then caused them to be able to continue.
I blame the damned army of the Roman Empire.

Actually there were some 70 odd charges brought against her but it was widdled down to somewhere around 12. Essentially she was eventually burned for being a relapsed heretic.

One of the reports I did in history back in highschool and I cant believe I actually remembered.

 on: May 15, 2015, 05:08:12 AM 
Started by Mokey - Last post by Amberhawk
I'm not sure if I am a B5 fan I'm still trying to decide between B1 and B2 (Bananas in Pyjamas)
I know this is entirely off topic and my apologies for that... but my son LOVED the Bananas in Pajamas show. He even had one of those dolls with the press to talk button on the hand. Geez the was so long ago.

 on: May 15, 2015, 05:04:41 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Amberhawk
My great grandmother was Presbyterian. I went to her church often. This link gives a good overview of the Presbyterian history and Tenets if you are still interested in learning the difference.s  ;-)

 on: May 15, 2015, 04:43:22 AM 
Started by Draconis Rex - Last post by Amberhawk
As to the High-Low magic issue, honestly I don't see either is more powerful than the other. However, I do believe from what I have both read and seen that High magic, Ceremonial magic is more celestial in the ideals and actions involved. To me it seems to have less room for adjusting or substitution.  Low magic, Folk magic is a bit more primal with a bit more wiggle room for change and adjustment. Both have their ways and I can see them overlap and merge depending on who is working the magic but in a more specific sense that is the biggest difference I see.

 on: May 15, 2015, 04:17:53 AM 
Started by Draconis Rex - Last post by Amberhawk
I'm kind of like Marisol, I see no problem with occultist instead of eclectic. To me, occultist brings to mind a person really in tune with the spirits and their spiritual side, and from what I've seen of both your posts, FS and Khara, you seem to fit that nicely. In the end, I say find the word that fits you best and hold on to it. What you choose to label yourself is mainly for other people's benefit, anyway, as a way to succinctly explain to them what your path is. And if you choose not to explain, well, then you can get really creative with whatever you tell them  :-p
To me it also puts to mind someone who is not put off by the bookwork and leg work involved in the studies as well as a strong interest in understanding the hows and whys of the different schools of thought and practices.

 on: May 14, 2015, 07:21:07 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
Same , same  ;)

Thanks oldghost!!!! Good to know!

 on: May 13, 2015, 07:39:09 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by oldghost
Same , same  ;)

 on: May 13, 2015, 12:13:58 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
MW I am very happy to have you here ;).


Thanks!!!  ;D

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