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 81 
 on: December 07, 2014, 10:13:23 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Thanks, C_A.  That clarified it for me. Since I've had similar conversations with people who meant something slightly different when they said being out isn't for everyone, it helped when you spelled things out.

 82 
 on: December 07, 2014, 10:00:43 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by C_A
As I said several times in several ways in my post, being "out" is NOT for everyone.  The fact that we are still, in the twenty first century, in a position to have to worry is, IMNHO, to some degree the fault of what people see when they encounter an adept.

Sure, sure...I "get it" that the vast majority of American Christians are still all caught up in the Levitical directive, (okay.  A "whole 'nuther" BOARD can be created on that, alone), but take, for example, vampires.  Or psychics.  Or anyone or anything outside of "normal".  When you watch any of the talk shows, (like Donahue, for example), WHO shows up to be the "poster child"?  It's always that goth looking clown with the filed teeth.  Or some other gothy-emo person wrapped in black with the pentacles / runes / rede-in-Theban tattooed on their faces.  The world needs someone to represent.  That would be me.

 83 
 on: December 06, 2014, 09:51:57 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Ouch.  I messed up my above post.  My response to C_A begins with the words "Yet we are the Hidden Children - ".  I'll get this quote feature down someday. 

 84 
 on: December 06, 2014, 08:42:13 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
This is NOT for "everyone".  Simple as that.  Remember that it is not only rede but ardane, (and in many cases coven, grove, temple etc prohibited), that we shouldn't be "out".  I agree with that wholeheartedly but CHOOSE to be open to make it easier for those who mightn't be able to as well.

Do I feel a responsibility?  Yes.  I do.  Here's why...People need to see someone that is NOT an emo/goth/charmed teenage angst parent shocking fashion statement.  Someone who is educated both in the Craft as well as the mundane, able to carry on a conversation with others of any age and any faith to stand as an equal.

I have been out for many years.  I wear the pentacle.  I have my owl/pentacle tattoo.  I have a few tee shirts, etc.  I don't force myself on others, but neither do I hide.  I have been, am, will be and always CAN "represent". 

But I represent responsibly.

Yet we are the Hidden Children who know it's sometimes imperative To Keep Silent.  Some would argue that there may come a time when the Craft's survival will depend upon the people who hid well.

With all respect to your desire to be public, would you also  support those who do not want to risk losing their job, housing, child custody?  As Doreen Valiente pointed out, witchcraft doesn't fix broken windows.

 85 
 on: December 05, 2014, 01:21:26 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by MoonlitWings
I plan on looking up Traditional Pagan/Yule music on Youtube and listening to them in my spare time. At work, I'm stuck listening to the usual songs full of Jesus and "son of God" lines, so it will definitely be a great change than listening to the same thing almost every day and every year! Totally watching the old style animation/claymation movies like Jack Frost, Santa Claus is Coming to Town, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, Rudolph and Frosty's Christmas In July, The Year Without A Santa Claus, Nightmare Before Christmas, etc. Pretty much all of the movies I can find on ABC Family lol.

 86 
 on: December 05, 2014, 01:07:10 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by MoonlitWings
I would like to be open and read whatever I want on the Craft without having to worry that a family member will verbally attack me again and involving other people who barely know ME, so for now, I'm in the broom closet except when it comes to online friends. I wear my jewelry, but they are so subtle, people don't pick up on the witchyness of it. I'm happy I'm able to do that at least. When I move, I will proudly have books around my house, try tarot, hang my pendulums or keep them neatly around my crystal points, not hidden and if someone is interested, answer questions they may have to the best of my abilities and give resources, but will never flaunt it. If its my own place, no one has the right to berate me over my choices. I'm just tired of having to peek over my shoulder/eyes darting around every time I'm on TCC or reading something about the Craft or book hunting online so that my sister doesn't see and rat me out again.

H, selfishness is not a bad thing. Its taken me awhile to realize that yes we can be selfish, but also selfless when helping others. If you can't take care of yourself first, how can you help others if you're not capable to? Just adding my 2 cents.

 87 
 on: December 05, 2014, 12:49:21 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by marisol
I don't feel a responsibility either way. But I have been both. I feel an obligation to be open with everyone here. I have lived in an area with little to no other pagan population for some time and so have remained in the "broom closet." I have never been open to offering information to my family, as I see my beliefs to be no ones business but my own.

 If we become public and adapt to mainstream culture, do we lose our authenticity, our integrity, our wildness and darkness? Do we become merely another innocuous New Age Pseudopaganism, all sweetness and light and rainbows and unicorns and dophins?
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I feel the answer is to the above is yes. We are not taken seriously now, but to really become taken seriously could be dangerous to
our survival in the future. We could lose who we are. But do we need to be excepted by anyone, no we don't. Do those that live
happily outside the "closet" want to have retreat back inside? Why not be happy with where we are? Right now we have power to be
ourselves. Does this help our cause? I don't believe we have one to worry over. Our responsibility is to ourselves. This may sound
selfish to some, however isn't that what we have been doing by taking responsibility for what we do?

Blessings

 88 
 on: December 05, 2014, 05:16:50 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Valerie
I don't feel the need to share, it's my Precious ! Sorry X

 89 
 on: December 05, 2014, 01:22:04 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Alchymist
I don't flaunt my Witchcraft, nor do I hide it. But I don't feel any obligation to do either, and tend to question whether we need to be "accepted or understood" at all, or to seek any accommodation with a cannibalistic, greed-oriented mainstream culture that seems to be steadily and (for the most part) blindly destroying its own foundations and hurtling headlong towards catastrophic collapse. And, if and when the collapse happens - do we want to go down with it?

Authentic witchcraft, it seems to me, is an activity on the fringes of civilization, not at its heart. Whenever something "goes mainstream" - rock n' roll in the 70s, ecology in the 90s, Paganism today - something else appears on the Edge. The Edge is where all new thinking is generated; nothing progressive or innovative ever comes from the centre. The Edge will not be denied; it's where, like the Fool in the Tarot, we leap of the cliff - and either fly or fall. And it's partly a matter of luck whether we survive the leap, or not.

However much those at the centre of mainstream culture would wish it otherwise, the Edge will always be there, nibbling entropically at an increasingly decrepit structure. The Edge, I would surmise, is where Witchcraft belongs, along with shamanism, occultism generally, anything new and surprising in music and art and, yes, science too.

Peter Grey, of Scarlet Imprint Books, has written two provocative articles which mirror my own thoughts to a large extent. They can be found at
http://scarletimprint.com/2014/06/rewilding-witchcraft  and
http://scarletimprint.blogspot.mx/2012/09/a-forking-of-paths

From "Rewilding Witchcraft":

"How tame we have become. How polite about our witchcraft. In our desire to harm none we have become harmless.
We have bargained to get a seat at the table of the great faiths to whom we remain anathema. How much compromise have we made in our private practice for the mighty freedom of being able to wear pewter pentagrams in public, at school, in our places of employment. How much have the elders sold us out, genuflecting to the academy, the establishment, the tabloid press. In return for this bargain we have gained precisely nothing. The supposed freedoms we have been granted are empty. Late capitalist culture simply does not care what our fantasy dress up life is like as long as we work our zero hour contracts, carry our mobile phones and keep consuming. The reason that social services are not taking your children away is that nobody believes in the existence of the witch. We have mistaken social and economic change for the result of our own advocacy. Marching in lock-step with what used to be called mainstream, but is now mono-culture, we have disenchanted ourselves, handed over our teeth and claws and bristling luxuriant furs. I will not be part of this process, because to do so is to be complicit with the very forces that are destroying all life on earth. It is time for Witchcraft not to choose, but to remember which side it is on in this struggle."

This might seem like an extreme "survivalist" position, where the only sensible option is to find an isolated cave or cabin somewhere in the northern forests, stock it with canned food, rifles and ammunition, and await the Apocalypse; however, perhaps things won't be quite that bad. We are, nevertheless, facing vast changes in the very near future and, as long as we stay away from the collapsing centre we can survive on the Edge, by our wits and our readiness to embrace change; much like the tiny mammals who, by their adaptability, their swiftness and their willingness to think new thoughts, survived the catastrophe that overwhelmed the dinosaurs.

I'd be interested in other people's thoughts on this. If we become public and adapt to mainstream culture, do we lose our authenticity, our integrity, our wildness and darkness? Do we become merely another innocuous New Age Pseudopaganism, all sweetness and light and rainbows and unicorns and dolphins?

Blessed Be everyone,

Alchymist.

 90 
 on: December 05, 2014, 12:37:14 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by C_A
This is NOT for "everyone".  Simple as that.  Remember that it is not only rede but ardane, (and in many cases coven, grove, temple etc prohibited), that we shouldn't be "out".  I agree with that wholeheartedly but CHOOSE to be open to make it easier for those who mightn't be able to as well.

Do I feel a responsibility?  Yes.  I do.  Here's why...People need to see someone that is NOT an emo/goth/charmed teenage angst parent shocking fashion statement.  Someone who is educated both in the Craft as well as the mundane, able to carry on a conversation with others of any age and any faith to stand as an equal.

I have been out for many years.  I wear the pentacle.  I have my owl/pentacle tattoo.  I have a few tee shirts, etc.  I don't force myself on others, but neither do I hide.  I have been, am, will be and always CAN "represent". 

But I represent responsibly. 


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