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 81 
 on: May 13, 2015, 11:56:30 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by marisol
MW I am very happy to have you here ;).


BB

 82 
 on: May 13, 2015, 05:18:18 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
MW I do hope you will be back. What you have run into is simply a door with a capital "W" on it. There is a lock on this door you
don't have the key to.To possess the key you must do things a certain way and follow certain rules. No one is telling you can't
have the key, just that you have to earn the key. I agree with their thinking, but that doesn't mean you can't study wicca.

There are many solitary practitioners, and I prefer this idea of learning to do it my way. It does at times make it difficult, but there
is a freedom to learn what you want, when you want. To pick what you want to use in your workings. This does not make us less
than others, just different. You can dedicate yourself to any pagan religion you want to. There is alot of freedom to be who you want to be, not to be a duplicate of the person next to you.

It doesn't hurt to take a break, think about what you want and look around. You can use parts of wicca in your craft without a
diploma. You can do or be anything you want.

Blessings

Marisol
Thank you very much. I value your opinion very much. Not to mention all of you, (yes even C_A). I also choose to just be me and see where this life leads me. I do know there is a place for me in 'W'icca some where and I am going to find it.

Thank you Ashe Isadora. It will take much more then what has happened here to make me leave.

Thank you to everyone for the knowledge I have gained here and for your thoughts. I look forward to learning as much as I can.
Hugs
MW

 83 
 on: May 12, 2015, 08:42:20 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by marisol
MW I do hope you will be back. What you have run into is simply a door with a capital "W" on it. There is a lock on this door you
don't have the key to.To possess the key you must do things a certain way and follow certain rules. No one is telling you can't
have the key, just that you have to earn the key. I agree with their thinking, but that doesn't mean you can't study wicca.

There are many solitary practitioners, and I prefer this idea of learning to do it my way. It does at times make it difficult, but there
is a freedom to learn what you want, when you want. To pick what you want to use in your workings. This does not make us less
than others, just different. You can dedicate yourself to any pagan religion you want to. There is alot of freedom to be who you want to be, not to be a duplicate of the person next to you.

It doesn't hurt to take a break, think about what you want and look around. You can use parts of wicca in your craft without a
diploma. You can do or be anything you want.

Blessings

 84 
 on: May 12, 2015, 05:59:27 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Well MW, there's something behind the old saying that the Craft is not for the faint of heart.  If you were able to take all this in without running away screaming, you're probably gonna make it.

Flags, Flax and Fodder..... As they say, enjoy the journey.

 85 
 on: May 12, 2015, 05:44:43 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
OK the snickering has increased tenfold!!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Khara,
I agree with you this is STUPID!!!!
MW

 86 
 on: May 12, 2015, 05:43:42 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
Ashe Isadora,
Thank you for clearing this up for me. I really did think that was what you were saying. I have enjoyed both of these men's books very much and have received some very powerful experiences from what I have read and used. I was only trying to get some clarification on fasting before a ritual is performed for someone who has never been able to fast due to health issues. I never thought my question would create a mess like this has turned into.

Khara,
Please don't think you are pushing me in any direction. My parents found out when I was very young, not to push me. I only bull up and do what I want anyway. Witchcraft and wiccan to me have always be one in the same. IN MY OWN WAY OF THINKING!!!! But thank you anyway for supporting me and making me see there is a different way of thinking.

C_A,
Please understand this is how I feel about things. You might have this holier then thou attitude and that is fine if that's how you want to be. You see things your way and I will see them in a different way. It doesn't mean both of us or even one of us are wrong. You might be farther along on your spiritual quest than I am. And you might think your kind of 'W'icca is the best. To me all are the same in the deities eyes. We are all here to learn and choose for ourselves what is the best for us. Yes, I am new to a lot of this. That doesn't mean I am less of a person or that it means less to me. I am just as devoted as you are and have just as profound of a love for the Craft as you do. Still, just because I am new to this doesn't mean I can't learn and understand just as much as you do, IN MY OWN WAY! You have opened my eyes to understand there are many different forms of 'W'icca and in some ways what clan I am looking to become. So, I thank you for that. Right now I am just wanting to know what 'W'icca in general is all about and what there is out there for me to choose from. ALL OF IT that I can find out. I know now there are things I will probably never know. If I am meant to know these things there will be a way for me to find out what they are.

So, please allow me and other Newbies to learn and understand in our own way. You can give your advise and knowledge and you can think you are better than the rest of us. It doesn't mean I am going to accept it, follow it, or believe you are better just because you are a 'W'iccan. So DEAL with it! But I will take what you say under consideration and chew on it.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for your help and information you have shared with me. I do appreciate it very much. Have a great night.
MW

 87 
 on: May 12, 2015, 05:25:30 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Khara
OK the snickering has increased tenfold!!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 88 
 on: May 12, 2015, 05:02:19 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Mystic Witch, I noticed a phrase in your post that really made me think I need t come back and clarify something.  Neither Scott Cunningham nor Raymond Buckland wrote with any intent whatsoever to deceive. They both tried to share as much as they possibly could about Wicca, for the betterment of the Craft and for spiritual seekers.  They have added immensely to the Craft and to people's spiritual lives.  I love them both. They were both, especially Scott, caught up in the Craft politics of the 1980's and some internal strife in the pagan community that they were trying to help sort out. Scott especially had the very best of intentions, and as I stated before, his publisher called the shots about calling the type of paganism he was teaching, Wicca.  He and Buckland revealed as much as they could without violating their sacred oaths to make some aspects of Wicca available to the public.

I have a very soft spot for both. Scott basically brought me into the Craft and I'll always love him for that. If I in any way seemed to degrade them as witches or as people it was not intentional.

Their contributions will endure forever and the problems that happened I know they did not foresee.

I hope this clarifies the statements I made about both these gentlemen. Had it not been for them, many of us would never have found our way here.

Something else bears repeating.  Though Wicca is a coven based religion, that does not in any way diminish the power, beauty, and depth of knowledge a Solitary practice can provide  Neither is better, they are just distinctly different pagan paths.

B*B*  Ashe Isadora



 89 
 on: May 12, 2015, 03:39:51 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Ashe Isadora
MW, you did not make a mockery of Wicca, Paganism, or do anything wrong. You're still learning, and there's a lot of confusion and contradictory information you have to wade through.  THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT.  It's the fault of unscrupulous publishers and "popular" authors, mostly.

You may choose to believe me or not, but I'm really very sympathetic to your situation and I'm extremely sorry your feelings are hurt.  Not my intent, it's just that we HAVE to give accurate information and let the chips fall sometimes.  I'd also point out that though a good number of Wiccans agree with me, not all do and I cannot speak for the whole Wiccan community.

I hope after you think about this you'll come back so we can discuss this some more.  I encourage and invite people on this site to offer a different perspective  on Wicca and who that encompasses, as long as everyone is civil.

The very best to you MW, and good fortune whatever you decide.

B*B*

 90 
 on: May 12, 2015, 02:19:17 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Khara
Khara,
Your way of thinking sure sounds the best choice to me. Wiccan or wiccan what ever they want to call it is just fine. I still don't ever plan on being one of the stuffed shirt "W". It just isn't in my nature. I enjoy what I have read so far of Witchcraft, the deities, and how they relate to each other. So if this is what is considered being part of the Craft and not Wiccan or wiccan. SO BE IT!!! I choose to be a WITCH! I know this is just the first step in a very long road of learning. I do thank SC and RB for starting me on this path. I'm ready to learn as much as I can about this CRAFT.

I believe I will come over to your side. Witches do good for the earth, animals, and other humans. They believe in the deities. Of which I believe myself. I don't EVER intend on joining some stuffy coven. Not worth the hassle or the head strong individuals you have to deal with.

Thanks for your in put and support. It sure is nice to hear from someone else here that has somewhat of the same ideas as I do. Thank you!!! Khara.

MW

Oh honey don't take my advice on anything. Do it because it works for you. 

I just see what is said many times in a different light.  I am as rabid about my faith as others are here. 

THEY just need to remember Wicca is a bastardized version of witchcraft and paganism combined and not much older than those giving the advice. 

Plus those damned rules....   

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