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 on: August 27, 2016, 02:52:09 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Alchymist
Dismissing the Morrighan; really? Well, hopefully he, whoever he is, might learn something from the encounter ...... or not. Probably not, if he starts out with that attitude. I hope he has a kind, knowledgeable friend who can help him climb out of the hole he's likely to be digging for himself....

In Taoism it is said that "The Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao." Well, analogously, it could be said that "The Morrighan who can be dismissed is not the true Morrighan.' If you want to invoke the Morrighan you'd better know what you're doing. I've only ever seen it done, successfully, once, by a very brave and strong woman of my acquaintance. It required a whole day of intense preparation. A normally averagely attractive youngish woman, she became scarily ancient and crone-like, her normally brown eyes became a thundercloud grey, her voice became harsh, almost guttural, and sibylline, she spoke of things some of us felt better left unsaid......  you don't return from such an ordeal unchanged. It is, in a very real sense, a genuine Initiation - not to be undertaken lightly.

Blessed Be all invokers of ancient Goddesses,


 on: August 27, 2016, 05:56:29 AM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Amberhawk
My own suggestion would be to make mythology a primary study early on and until they find themselves drawn to specific ones, the generic "Lord" and "Lady" be ok for the start if they feel a drive to do have something to direct attention to and work with. As they become more comfortable with the regular honoring of the only switch would be to shuffle the devotionals to suite those deities. There is no rush here. I realize the excitement can be overwhelming. Trying to focus that excitement into learning would be better in the long run.

 on: August 26, 2016, 11:58:51 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Alchymist
Gog and Magog, are, or alternatively Gogmagog is, whoever or whatever you want them/him to be, it seems; from a pair of demons in Muslim mythology, to the guardians of the City of London, to (obscurely) Biblical references to Russia and China (!!)

According to http://www.reformation.org/gog-and-magog.html :-
"Gog and Magog symbolize a worldwide Satanic confederacy that will attack the New Covenant Israel before the end of time."

.... whereas according to http://londonist.com/2016/01/gog-and-magog-who-are-they-and-what-do-they-have-to-do-with-london :-

"One of the legends of Gog and Magog explicitly concerns London. As with most legends, there are variations on the theme, but a popular one goes that Gog and Magog (or confusingly Magog and Cornelius) were two monstrous giants, the product of the 33 wicked daughters of Roman emperor Diocletian and certain demons they'd been canoodling with. As he founded New Troy (which would become London), the heroic Brutus tamed the two colossi, forcing them to serve as guardians of the city by chaining them outside his palace, the site of which is now Guildhall. Of course, the tale is nonsense, but somehow the legend lived on, and the duo continued to be associated as the city's guardians. The effigies of 'Gogmagot the Albion' and 'Corineus the Britain' were recorded as appearing at the coronation of Elizabeth I in 1558 (where exactly, it isn't clear), while the giants were already making appearances at the Lord Mayor's Show by 1554.
While originals, made from papier mache, went up in smoke during the Great Fire of London, the replacements were gnawed away by mice."

Another legend I've heard is that they were father-and-son Celtic chieftains, Gog and MacGog.

Good Ol' Uncle Google gives links to hundreds more possibilities; take your pick - or invent your own legend!

Blessed Be,


 on: August 26, 2016, 02:55:13 PM 
Started by Ashe Isadora - Last post by Ashe Isadora
When people are new to Paganism, and/or exploring Wicca, they often search for a deity or two to be their "patron".  If someone came to you, who would you suggest as a good deity for seekers to work with?  Are there any that you think, for whatever reason, might not be good for inexperienced people?

I'd be interested in some feedback here.I encountered some disagreement when I suggested to someone new (not on TCC) that The Miorrighan might not be a good match for some one new to the Craft.  "That's okay", he said. "If I don't like her I'll dismiss her". Oh Geez.  Cringe.  But you may think differently than me on this so fire away...

 on: August 26, 2016, 12:34:43 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Nymree
I'll do my best and give it a shot if I can get the opportunity to. My only thought is that a thing I should be focusing on here is more the internal landscape, rather than the external. By this I mean, looking at my past attempts to contact deity and what I have been needing recently, what patterns have been occurring in my life, and how these factors may connect to this deity. I think looking at the local history is important, but unfortunately due to my position I don't have a great amount of opportunities available to me, even if that information is accessible.

It's a pain, because again all of this is new to me and riddling it out is becoming a big confusing mess in my mind, but I'll keep going and will possibly try some divination and meditation to reach this deity. Thanks so much for the help so far, I'll keep everyone updated with what I get and if anything new turns up.

 on: August 26, 2016, 11:42:11 AM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by oldghost
Don't put much faith in what you get from yahoo or site like wiki source . You have to much of certain religions that stick their stuff into older religions so they can pay claim to them .

If you have time and if there is a senior retirement home for locals you may want to visit and ask some of the people what they may remember of stories about the area from their youth ?.

 on: August 26, 2016, 09:35:01 AM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Nymree
A yahoo answer that I'll link below makes me wonder if the Gog and Magog tale and mythology may link some ancient beings to the local area, and that may be why I felt a connection to them (through my home). However, that is only one theory, since there's so little to go off. Since Gog and Magog are varied in cultures and can even be linked to as Celtic deities by some theories, it may be that they are actually deities/a deity that I have met through linkage with the local land.


Also, I did further searches on my area and all I could find was an ancient name for the area. Further searches only unearthed a few pagan kings, according to Google, and these linked to nothing further. I am hesitant with putting too much detail in, but I may be willing to give a few details if someone drops me a pm, and if they think they might be able to help. Otherwise, my best theory is that it links to Gog Magog somehow.

 on: August 26, 2016, 09:03:04 AM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Nymree
Yeah, I've dug through the history before for school projects, but unfortunately not much comes up. I have found some links to articles and stories about Og and Magog, but nothing about that specific location. I can't put much about details here, as its extremely close to where I live, however I can say that the area was named after an influential family a hundred or so years ago. In Cornwall there is a lot of gaps, it seems, in the knowledge of our own heritage, but it may be that I have to wait and see what other pieces of the puzzle I'm given along the way.

There are other things that I have believed to be linked to this deity, such as birds (specifically black birds or maybe corvids) but all of this is a bit up in the air.

 on: August 26, 2016, 09:01:21 AM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by oldghost
If you try to find info on the area , another source would be any history of the Roman occupation of the area that liked to add local deities from the area into the pantheon to get along better with the local powers .

 on: August 26, 2016, 03:06:22 AM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Draconis Rex
As OG suggests, try and find out any nearby names of those places; sometimes a place may be named for a deity in someway. Sometimes the name may become obscured through the passage of time, dig deep.

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