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 91 
 on: January 26, 2016, 06:27:07 AM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by oldghost
What it comes down to is that what we see is through our own eyes , but just because we see it does not mean what we see is what really is there . It has to come down to what we feel inside , call it the internal truth . We must see with our mind for one can't believe all that ones sees . If it feels right , think before you act ; behind right can be a great wrong . Think then think some more , like that old saying  " just because something is cute doesn't mean it doesn't bite " . Don't hide from what you don't want things to be , understanding them does not mean you have to do them .

 92 
 on: January 25, 2016, 03:57:23 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by marisol


There us no point in discussion if there is no overlap or acknowledgment of a truthful thought
In that sense the Greeks wasted there time, on act any logical form of discourse if no one is wrong and everyone is right --- I maybe a mystic but I'm not a fruitloop
😄
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Fruitloops are a dry cereal, I would not refer to a human in that way. How exactly would someone who describes their self as a mystic know if another person's thoughts are truthful or not? How would you judge who is right and who is wrong? I feel we don't understand each other, perhaps we just speak different languages. :-\

 93 
 on: January 25, 2016, 12:22:06 AM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by Skyanne
In a way those that are drawn to any kind of Magic appear to have a internal compass that points to the energy of Magic and like a magnet it pulls us in the direction we need to go to get stronger . Some only feel the pull a little and some feel it much stronger . It's with one all the time we just have to want to find that source of the pull .

That's how I knew too, OG. I feel the pull. Although I never studied wicca or magic, growing up I would instinctively know if someone was doing a spell wrong, how they were supposed to be doing it correctly.  And there is that unquenchable interest to learn and grow according to this path.

 94 
 on: January 24, 2016, 09:11:11 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by oldghost
Skydark , I think you are missing the point . You say you follow the path of Love but that does not mean that there is no evil in you .
You may think there is none but unless you have been to the dark place were what you believe can be damage , changed by and event you can control you should not ignore that it is inside of you . It is all of us , you may not want to believe it but is true .

I was open to the path of a Dream Healer , to do good for others but also to know evil and how it worked and how to use evil to stop evil . If it harmed another so be it .

If we deny it is there then it can harm us . Know the enemy so you will not fall into it's trap .

What Alchymist say is a full statement and should be taken as a whole not just the parts you like or dislike . You must see the whole it's like going to bomb disposal school and only showing up for the first and last class then trying to disarm a bomb .

 95 
 on: January 24, 2016, 06:15:39 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by Alchymist
Well, I fail to see how I can explain things any more clearly. Obviously, our Paths are different. Not better, not worse, just different.

Alchymist

 96 
 on: January 24, 2016, 05:13:31 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by bluedjango
bluedjango, I think you misunderstand me. The "hollow place inside" is what happens when you deny the  - pull, compulsion, call it what you will, - suppress it deep within, and follow instead the Path that brings you greater material profits, or do what others expect of you. Parental expectations, peer pressure, can be the kiss of death to one whose "true will" would be to become an artist, a musician - or a Witch.

You may not like where I'm going, but I'm simply reporting my own experiences, which have been entirely similar to those, historically, whose Paths led them to Shamanism. I'm referring to traditional, real, tribal Shamanism, not the pseudoshamanism being peddled nowadays in expensive weekend "seminars". And I can assure you I'm not ignorant of the "tenderness of love" - nor of its wildness or its ecstasy. There is compulsion in love, also; have you ever loved someone, or something, beyond all sense, beyond all reason, despite the disapproval or outright obstruction of other people? If not, you've lived a very sheltered life........

The same applies to the Path of Witchcraft. Have you ever "gazed into the Abyss, and had the Abyss gaze back into you", in the words of Nietzsche? Or passed through "Chapel Perilous", and confronted the diverse beings that lurk therein? If not, your suspicion that my Path isn't worth knowing is baseless. The same applies, also, to many of those debatable areas on the far fringes of knowledge. If, for example, you've ever had a near-death experience, the negative opinions of anyone who hasn't had the same experience are irrelevant. If you've ever witnessed a UFO, anyone who hasn't had a similar experience trying to tell you that you can't possibly have seen what you claim to have seen, because such things don't exist, is simply blowing hot air. Again, I speak from experience......

May your Path bring you joy and love, adventure and wisdom, mirth and reverence. Mine has.

Alchymist.

I fail to see how any of this address my response.
I'll give it some more reflection but so far its more like a dodge than an actual response
Later
shydark

 97 
 on: January 24, 2016, 05:08:26 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by bluedjango
Bluedjango I believe that that you will find all of us are seekers here. But none of us walk the same path. Each path is personal, no one
reaches their destination in the same way or at the same time. What is most important to one, may not be to another. We are very
tolerant of each other in this respect. We may not agree at  times, but there is no right or wrong in our individual journeys.


Blessings

There us no point in discussion if there is no overlap or acknowledgment of a truthful thought
In that sense the Greeks wasted there time, on act any logical form of discourse if no one is wrong and everyone is right --- I maybe a mystic but I'm not a fruitloop
😄

 98 
 on: January 24, 2016, 01:25:38 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by marisol
Bluedjango I believe that that you will find all of us are seekers here. But none of us walk the same path. Each path is personal, no one
reaches their destination in the same way or at the same time. What is most important to one, may not be to another. We are very
tolerant of each other in this respect. We may not agree at  times, but there is no right or wrong in our individual journeys.


Blessings

 99 
 on: January 24, 2016, 12:13:39 PM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by Alchymist
bluedjango, I think you misunderstand me. The "hollow place inside" is what happens when you deny the  - pull, compulsion, call it what you will, - suppress it deep within, and follow instead the Path that brings you greater material profits, or do what others expect of you. Parental expectations, peer pressure, can be the kiss of death to one whose "true will" would be to become an artist, a musician - or a Witch.

You may not like where I'm going, but I'm simply reporting my own experiences, which have been entirely similar to those, historically, whose Paths led them to Shamanism. I'm referring to traditional, real, tribal Shamanism, not the pseudoshamanism being peddled nowadays in expensive weekend "seminars". And I can assure you I'm not ignorant of the "tenderness of love" - nor of its wildness or its ecstasy. There is compulsion in love, also; have you ever loved someone, or something, beyond all sense, beyond all reason, despite the disapproval or outright obstruction of other people? If not, you've lived a very sheltered life........

The same applies to the Path of Witchcraft. Have you ever "gazed into the Abyss, and had the Abyss gaze back into you", in the words of Nietzsche? Or passed through "Chapel Perilous", and confronted the diverse beings that lurk therein? If not, your suspicion that my Path isn't worth knowing is baseless. The same applies, also, to many of those debatable areas on the far fringes of knowledge. If, for example, you've ever had a near-death experience, the negative opinions of anyone who hasn't had the same experience are irrelevant. If you've ever witnessed a UFO, anyone who hasn't had a similar experience trying to tell you that you can't possibly have seen what you claim to have seen, because such things don't exist, is simply blowing hot air. Again, I speak from experience......

May your Path bring you joy and love, adventure and wisdom, mirth and reverence. Mine has.

Alchymist.

 100 
 on: January 24, 2016, 06:41:44 AM 
Started by bluedjango - Last post by bluedjango
In a way those that are drawn to any kind of Magic appear to have a internal compass that points to the energy of Magic and like a magnet it pulls us in the direction we need to go to get stronger . Some only feel the pull a little and some feel it much stronger . It's with one all the time we just have to want to find that source of the pull .

Thank you for your insight.  The word 'pull' was one I remember hearing in some of the sermons by the late William Marion Branham.  I suspect that most great callings are accompanied with a strong compulsion that this is good, right and positive and one aught to avoid those which generate fear in one.

So follow the Path that chooses you, through love and joy, adventure and terror, mirth and reverence. There's precious little money in it, for most of us; if money's your thing, become a bond trader or a Corporate lawyer and leave magic, art and science alone. Ignore that hollow place inside, and try to deny what you know, deep down; that that which you deny will eventually destroy you.

Blessed Be, to all who follow your own Path, wherever it may lead.

Alchymist

You see the bold (which I've done to your comment) -- I like the first one, for it's a little more balanced.  Your initial idea lacked the all important 'choice' and I would never surrender my will to anyone or anything however I might agree to choose a path which I do not feel forced, or pulled, or overwhelmed to get on. Just my thoughts on the matter.   

As to the idea of a hollow place inside, I don't agree.  We don't have a St. Augustine type reality and no hollow places to fill, which are not already full -- it's always the mystic who informs the ignorant that there is something there to be enjoyed not to let things in -- that is where the trouble begins. Once again just my 2p on this matter. 

Ta, shydark

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