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 91 
 on: August 04, 2014, 04:26:10 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Draconis Rex
One thing I think we all need to remember is that, despite the Christian's strict adherence to what they believe is the one and only way, the truth, and the light, and their intolerance towards any other belief other than theirs, we have to accept that that is what they truly believe, and we have to be tolerant of that. It's one of the main things we profess as Pagans.
 
We can point out where there is, or is not gay interaction in the Scriptures, but someone who is locked into what they believe, will still find argument against. Remember how long it took before the blasphemy of a female minister/cleric was accepted?

 92 
 on: August 04, 2014, 04:11:35 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Canis
Unfortunately, many Christians (not all mind you) insist on forcing their views on the rest of the world and considered anybody that doesn't believe EXACTLY as they believe are sinners and doomed to eternity in hell. In some cases, they even condemn other Christians who have different views. It's not enough for them to follow their religion, they have to convert everyone else to their religious views whether they want to be converted or not.

 93 
 on: August 04, 2014, 04:02:36 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Jamni90
Well i tried to convince some people at Christian chat to just simply let it go through and just be done with it. But meh, their book doesnt agree so they just quoted full of bible verses. It was basically like talking with a brick wall.

And i am so tired of discussing theology. Why not just say. Ok screw it, allowed. The end. And problem would be solved.

 94 
 on: August 04, 2014, 03:03:31 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Canis
I have to agree with Firesong concerning the Old Testament. It was originally Hebrew tribal law for the Jews and it's primary purpose in the bible is for historical context (since Jesus was after all, Jewish) and prophecy concerning the expect messiah.

As for the New Testament, Jesus never said anything one way or the other about homosexuality. There is one mention in the Paul's epistles, 1 Corinthians 6:9 if I remember right (but I would have to double check that) concerning homosexuals. But, the wording changes between various translations. I've suspected for some time now, and have run across a few references while researching other historical subjects, that what is in the New Testament that we know today was not necessarily in the original scrolls. While meaning being lost in translations may account for much of it, I suspect (mind you, only suspect, I have no concrete proof at this time) that some passages may have been deliberately altered to support views goals of early church leaders.

As to the OP, I'm fine with gay marriage. While it's not my lifestyle, I have no problem with how somebody else chooses to live their life. As long as everybody involved is of legal age and no-one is forced or coerced in any way, then I have no problem with them pursuing what ever makes them happy.

 95 
 on: August 04, 2014, 02:22:16 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by hecate8
According to the book "Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do", the bible doesn't prohibit homosexuality. Let gays marry, right wingers can just get over themselves.

 96 
 on: August 04, 2014, 12:09:02 PM 
Started by OpalButterfly - Last post by Firesong
Yes, I beleive that jesus existed.  He was most likely a very spiritual man and one who could have led his people well.

Was he a witch?  BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....   REALLY?  Someone has been reading WAY to much Dan Brown.

There is NOTHING historically written that indicates in ANY way that jesus practiced the craft. 

Since you want to lead this discussion, I will wait for the next question.  We want to keep everyone happy, not be able to comment freely or anything.

While I have several Dan Brown books, they were gifted and I've not read them.

That being said, it was my interpretation, as well, that Jesus was persecuted for being a witch practicing witchcraft. Yet, to be more specific, he was quite a wizard and understood things that were not commonplace knowledge among those with which he dwelled. It is my understanding that he was Spiritual but bound by Religion. In the old testament,  it wasn't witches, it was poisoners who were to be "put to death"... Defining factors matters vary.

I would be interested in what your views are.  :)

Unfortunately, your interpretations matched neither history nor Biblical accounts.  He was never a wizard; he was, however visited by the Magi, from whence the word "magic" comes.  He merely demonstrated that which is within all of us, by any name...

 97 
 on: August 04, 2014, 12:05:35 PM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Firesong
It has nothing to do with religion, or any holy book.  It's about the Constitution of the United States, and the right of free people to freely exercise their rights.  The First Amendment states that religious dogma has no place in the laws of the land... period.

I'm a Christian and a little conservative, but I very strongly and vehemently support gay marriage... we are not governed by the Bible (thank G-d), but by our own laws. 

No true Christian would ever be offended by gay marriage.  Jesus never made any references to it as far as I know, and Torah, (The Old Testament), applies only to Jews, since they are Hebrew tribal laws, not universal ones.

 98 
 on: August 04, 2014, 10:44:46 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Jamni90
I am for gay marriage because i'm tired of all the dumb debates. Might aswell burry the hatchet.

 99 
 on: August 04, 2014, 09:17:24 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by Alces Alces
It's none of my business and has no impact on me. As long as it doesn't hurt me or those I care about, people are free to make whatever personal choices they please.

 100 
 on: August 04, 2014, 08:54:24 AM 
Started by Jamni90 - Last post by C_A
... they have a religious book that they believe in.

Yup

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