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 91 
 on: May 12, 2015, 05:02:19 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Ashe Isadora
Mystic Witch, I noticed a phrase in your post that really made me think I need t come back and clarify something.  Neither Scott Cunningham nor Raymond Buckland wrote with any intent whatsoever to deceive. They both tried to share as much as they possibly could about Wicca, for the betterment of the Craft and for spiritual seekers.  They have added immensely to the Craft and to people's spiritual lives.  I love them both. They were both, especially Scott, caught up in the Craft politics of the 1980's and some internal strife in the pagan community that they were trying to help sort out. Scott especially had the very best of intentions, and as I stated before, his publisher called the shots about calling the type of paganism he was teaching, Wicca.  He and Buckland revealed as much as they could without violating their sacred oaths to make some aspects of Wicca available to the public.

I have a very soft spot for both. Scott basically brought me into the Craft and I'll always love him for that. If I in any way seemed to degrade them as witches or as people it was not intentional.

Their contributions will endure forever and the problems that happened I know they did not foresee.

I hope this clarifies the statements I made about both these gentlemen. Had it not been for them, many of us would never have found our way here.

Something else bears repeating.  Though Wicca is a coven based religion, that does not in any way diminish the power, beauty, and depth of knowledge a Solitary practice can provide  Neither is better, they are just distinctly different pagan paths.

B*B*  Ashe Isadora



 92 
 on: May 12, 2015, 03:39:51 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Ashe Isadora
MW, you did not make a mockery of Wicca, Paganism, or do anything wrong. You're still learning, and there's a lot of confusion and contradictory information you have to wade through.  THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT.  It's the fault of unscrupulous publishers and "popular" authors, mostly.

You may choose to believe me or not, but I'm really very sympathetic to your situation and I'm extremely sorry your feelings are hurt.  Not my intent, it's just that we HAVE to give accurate information and let the chips fall sometimes.  I'd also point out that though a good number of Wiccans agree with me, not all do and I cannot speak for the whole Wiccan community.

I hope after you think about this you'll come back so we can discuss this some more.  I encourage and invite people on this site to offer a different perspective  on Wicca and who that encompasses, as long as everyone is civil.

The very best to you MW, and good fortune whatever you decide.

B*B*

 93 
 on: May 12, 2015, 02:19:17 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Khara
Khara,
Your way of thinking sure sounds the best choice to me. Wiccan or wiccan what ever they want to call it is just fine. I still don't ever plan on being one of the stuffed shirt "W". It just isn't in my nature. I enjoy what I have read so far of Witchcraft, the deities, and how they relate to each other. So if this is what is considered being part of the Craft and not Wiccan or wiccan. SO BE IT!!! I choose to be a WITCH! I know this is just the first step in a very long road of learning. I do thank SC and RB for starting me on this path. I'm ready to learn as much as I can about this CRAFT.

I believe I will come over to your side. Witches do good for the earth, animals, and other humans. They believe in the deities. Of which I believe myself. I don't EVER intend on joining some stuffy coven. Not worth the hassle or the head strong individuals you have to deal with.

Thanks for your in put and support. It sure is nice to hear from someone else here that has somewhat of the same ideas as I do. Thank you!!! Khara.

MW

Oh honey don't take my advice on anything. Do it because it works for you. 

I just see what is said many times in a different light.  I am as rabid about my faith as others are here. 

THEY just need to remember Wicca is a bastardized version of witchcraft and paganism combined and not much older than those giving the advice. 

Plus those damned rules....   

 94 
 on: May 12, 2015, 02:16:12 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Khara
No.  That isn't it.

What is inside my shirt isn't "stuffing" unless you want to consider the heart within it.

This is something that many of us take a great amount of personal gratification, down to our souls, in.  It is something that others may never feel.  It is something that uplifts us and sustains us.  It is something that connects us to our Divine.

To use a phrase from an old Harley tee shirt..."If I have to explain, you won't understand".  I have tried to explain.  If all it gives you is a stance from which to mock, (or, for that matter, to feel butthurt), then you not only won't understand, you can't.  And I'm okay with that.  I needn't belittle or ridicule.  I needn't poke, prod or pry.  The facts are as they are.  It is up to the individual to learn or not.

No one is mocking but if you re-read the girl's original post on self initiation many came off really crappy. 

I mean I have complained about the "holier than thou" attitude before.  Maybe the coven 'W'iccans should let the ones who are solitary deal with the solitaries or else maybe they should tone it down a bit.

I love YOU C_A but....  you know my thoughts on this.

 95 
 on: May 12, 2015, 01:59:56 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by C_A
No.  That isn't it.

What is inside my shirt isn't "stuffing" unless you want to consider the heart within it.

This is something that many of us take a great amount of personal gratification, down to our souls, in.  It is something that others may never feel.  It is something that uplifts us and sustains us.  It is something that connects us to our Divine.

To use a phrase from an old Harley tee shirt..."If I have to explain, you won't understand".  I have tried to explain.  If all it gives you is a stance from which to mock, (or, for that matter, to feel butthurt), then you not only won't understand, you can't.  And I'm okay with that.  I needn't belittle or ridicule.  I needn't poke, prod or pry.  The facts are as they are.  It is up to the individual to learn or not.

 96 
 on: May 12, 2015, 01:39:25 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
Khara,
Your way of thinking sure sounds the best choice to me. Wiccan or wiccan what ever they want to call it is just fine. I still don't ever plan on being one of the stuffed shirt "W". It just isn't in my nature. I enjoy what I have read so far of Witchcraft, the deities, and how they relate to each other. So if this is what is considered being part of the Craft and not Wiccan or wiccan. SO BE IT!!! I choose to be a WITCH! I know this is just the first step in a very long road of learning. I do thank SC and RB for starting me on this path. I'm ready to learn as much as I can about this CRAFT.

I believe I will come over to your side. Witches do good for the earth, animals, and other humans. They believe in the deities. Of which I believe myself. I don't EVER intend on joining some stuffy coven. Not worth the hassle or the head strong individuals you have to deal with.

Thanks for your in put and support. It sure is nice to hear from someone else here that has somewhat of the same ideas as I do. Thank you!!! Khara.

MW

 97 
 on: May 12, 2015, 12:58:41 PM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Khara
OK I'm snickering, I can't help myself. 

I find Mystik Witch to have a surprisingly compatible opinion to my own and the attitude of many (not all C_A) 'W'iccans here. 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The "W" club doesn't let everyone in MW and they have all those pesky rules and holier than thou attitudes.

No one here can say a word against Scott Cunningham or Uncle Bucky and trust me I have little use for the old lech Buckland.  No one here has done a 10th of what those two have done for wicca or Wicca combined. So ignore any comments on that line.

You'll have to find yourself a stuffy old coven MW or come over to the dark side as witches do it better, been doing it longer and OH YEAH We rock both sides of the balance train and land on our feet without the human rules, we stick to the Universe's rules and they trump Gerald Gardner and his sneaky lot every time.

Still snickering though.....

 98 
 on: May 12, 2015, 08:40:21 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by Mystik Witch
I have done what I can to help and to allay your fears.

Only a thread or two above this in the line is a thread entitled "Lineaged Wiccans".  Reading it would have helped you avoid any offense you feel right now, as well as many, nay, myriad other threads here at TCC.

I meant not to offend but to explain.  You asked, I explained.  Simple as that.

Yup you sure have! NOT!!! You didn't even have the balls to answer my actual question, (oh you did tell me how to make my censer work. For that I thank you). All you can do is down grade others and make them seem smaller than you. I hope you feel good about yourself. I was only asking a simple questions. I didn't ask to be made a mockery of. If this is how you deal with new comers. I choose to run as fast as I can from this place! Have a wonderful life.
MW

 99 
 on: May 12, 2015, 08:10:44 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by C_A
I have done what I can to help and to allay your fears.

Only a thread or two above this in the line is a thread entitled "Lineaged Wiccans".  Reading it would have helped you avoid any offense you feel right now, as well as many, nay, myriad other threads here at TCC.

I meant not to offend but to explain.  You asked, I explained.  Simple as that.


 100 
 on: May 12, 2015, 08:06:30 AM 
Started by Mystik Witch - Last post by C_A
Descendant of Gardner or descendant of some other Wiccan? O.o; Huh? You mean literal descendant?

Literal descendant.  Not by birth.  As a disciplinary descendant, YES.  Most assuredly.

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