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Money for belief?!?
« on: December 25, 2016, 10:03:59 PM »

This is my second time that I have taken my year and a day journey. I was living at my father-in-laws, who is a devout Christian. I tried following his religion, with no avail.

Coming back to being Wiccan, (Christianity just didn't feel right for me, I rather regret it) being a solitary practitioner I looked online for more information about how others practiced, and how I might be able to incorporate their ideas into my own.
Then I stumbled onto this site http://www.selenafox.com/ , who said she praticed Wicca. Who also charged $75.00 an hour to talk to her on the phone!?!

From what I have learned this is not what the typical Wiccan does. If one finds a mentor or teacher, they don't charge for knowledge.

Like this site, everybody helps another on their path. No reason to charge for it.

Am I wrong? (I was .03 seconds of writing her a VERY nasty email, but thought better of it. What she is charging is just a scam to me.)


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Re: Money for belief?!?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2016, 09:40:42 AM »

Greetings, Bishop,

Selena Fox is a well known Wiccan elder and the founder of Circle Sanctuary, a Pagan organization that provides many services to North American pagans. She has, however, been criticized by many other pagans for just exactly the reasons you have given; it is a basic principle of Wicca that you shouldn't be charged for instruction or for initiation, beyond basic expenses such as candles, wine, etc. Certainly, $75.00 an hour just for a telephone conversation seems to me to be wildly excessive.

I'd recommend that you check out http://www.beyondweird.com/wicca/bonevsfo.html , an open letter to Selena Fox from the late Isaac Bonewits, which gives some insight into what has been going on. It seems that Ms. Fox has been exhibiting all the negative behaviours of some of the more egregious fundamentalist Christian televangelists. Other members here might have more up-to-date information; wait and see.

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Re: Money for belief?!?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 11:40:11 PM »

Bishop I am sorry that you had such an experience, but you were smart to recognize it for what it is. It is sad for Selena to have come to be more interested in money than teaching. I did talk to her once about 6 months after Circle Sanctuary was founded and she aspired it to be something wonderful for all pagans. I was doing no more than inquiring into the organization.

I hope they do more than solicit money, but I really don't know.

Blessings on your journey, you will find many pagans will share happily with you.

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Re: Money for belief?!?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 08:37:58 PM »

I'd like to mention that Wiccan teachers are prohibited charging money for teaching the Wiccan religion, but are not prohibited from asking reasonable fees for things that are craft related but not specifically Wiccan.  It's perfectly proper to charge fairly to teach tarot, or do a house blessing, for example.  It's my impression that Ms Fox charges for phone counseling sessions (she is a psychologist, I believe), which wouldn't violate Wicca ethics as long as she isn't teaching Wicca when she does it. Whether Circle Sanctuary has gone overboard as a profit making enterprise (they are Pagan btw, not Wiccan) is a different question.  Sounds like they have.

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Re: Money for belief?!?
« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:47:28 AM »

Sometimes it is hard for those that are starting out to be able be find the truth amidst all the bull . There are those who's speal come over so convincing that people believe it and it's not just the con they fall for but their own need to find something more then what they have .

That is one of the many reasons why places like this site are important . Here one can find the truth from those that have experience​d so much . We can guide those that seek to understand the traps that those new can fall into .

Being a mentor or teacher or even a guide can bring one a reward greater then any monetary value can ever . To help those that come after us and to keep what we believe to continue to grow is worth the effort .

"Everything I know I learned by listening and watching . Nowadays people learn out of books instead . Doctors study what man has learned . I pray to understand what man has forgotten ." Vernon Cooper
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