Well first of all, I've never called myself a Pagan, and I am not Wiccan, or even a Witch. In fact, I don't call myself anything. I don't claim to be associated with any religion or tradition.
Then possibly you might be best advised to keep a civil tongue in your head when making "enquiries" which to more than one of us, on more than one occasion have sounded like not very thinly veiled slurs - almost always against the female power within Wicca and paganism.
All of my ideas about myself and God have come from me. All I claim is a direct relationship with my God. :-) And yes, I use 'God' interchangeably with 'Goddess', to mean the absolute. But don't take that the wrong way. I never impose my personal way of seeing on others. I understand and accept all the distinctions...Otherwise I couldn't have my own. ;-)
Quite the theologian then are you? Shaman-like almost...forging a path all your own. Don't let things like Kharas generational knowledge of and love for her practice and deities give you pause then. I'm almost sure she has nothing you'd think worthy of stopping to hear. You've made that abundantly clear.
Learning is a one way path for you is it - You opine and we are expected sit back, aghast at the brilliance and newshinyness of your insights into our ancient faiths?
Yeah well ermmm...not really feeling it as deeply as Pet Goddess obviously is. I don't think you'll be my guru any time soon.
But ta for the magnanimous offer. I suppose.
If you remove yourself from your exclusively material/bodily ideas about Whores and Virgins, then you might discover a very broad spectrum of ideas and ethics behind those terms. For me, a (spiritual) whore is one who loves life in all its aspects, and sees beauty even in apparent ugliness. She desires everything. It is loosely a term for experience and lust for life. I'm not bothered what the dictionary says it means.
The Virgin is the other side of the coin, offering stability and focus; will power and mental strength. She is the purity that enables one to experience life without being corrupted by it...without becoming materially attached.
They are never apart, and are two sides of the same coin. Just like you can't have black without white. :-)
The Virgin and the Whore are the two polar aspects of the (Or my) Goddess. But as a united whole the Goddess is of course: Creator, Sustainer, Destroyer. :-)
And yet as most women will attest - so many people call one a whore as if that were a
bad thing to be.
If you're going to start throwing around culturally loaded terms in ways which we have not been conditioned to hear them used, then possibly you need to make a short, pithy precursive kind of post explaining the complex nature of your revolutionary redefining of the lexis...'kay?
Just for the sake of clarity.
**puzzled**
I wonder if your failure to make any attempt at such a thing might be responsible for us reacting as if that's an emotive and indeed inflammatory word for some of us then?
^^^Information for Tress's future erudition ITT.Also, men can be virgins and whores both physically, mentally and spiritually. So bear that in mind if you've got your feminist glasses on.
Yes but they rarely have that epithet attached to them for it, no matter how much they put it about, do they? And if they do it's in an admiringly "you dirty dog" manwhore kind of manner - not a "you filthy bitch" cheap whore manner - as it so often is when applied to the
female whether Goddess or daughter.
Also please note the bolded text in your quote - how dare you condescend to a woman who could buy and sell you in any debate on religious matters you'd care to engage with in her? And wtf are
feminist glasses you snide little twat?
The Goddess is the ultimate player and lover; she can be associated with gender but personally I believe that she shouldn't be completely dragged down to human levels and judged on that basis. In my experience it just creates squabbles and conflicts. But I understand your misconceptions, and wanted to address them. :-)
If all you want to do is crap on to others about this religion you seem to be formulating and the minutae of what you believe, then please get a Lectern and do so. I'm sure any number of street corners need a preacher.
This here is a discussion forum however.
For discussions. If we disagree with your premise or findd fault with your exposition we will say so.
If you have insulted us, howver inadvertently it might be well for a newer person to kind of back off a tad and say -
hey - I'm sorry if that got your goat. Not go back on the attack from your perch of self admitted self righteous ignorance of lore and terminology - and start blowing off people who have every right to be treated with respect and listened to keenly because she truly is a learned elder of this community.
My Goddess is not about living a female or male lifestyle. She is about being her unfettered self.
I see you and she share that trait. I also see how it might work for an esp charismatic deity.
However it can be terribly unattractive in a jumped up mortal young 'un.
ETA: I bolded the text I was referring to when I said you and she share that trait. I re-read it andf relised it may have been taken to mean I thought you had no sex either male or female and I am aware how derogatory that may come across.
So I corrected the clumsy word choice I made in haste when excited about a post. And attempted to clarify my meaning.
As I still suggest you might have been best to do over the whole whore/virgin thing.
And now I've corrected that I
shall bugger off.
