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Alchymist

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Re: Reincarnation Penance ?.
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2015, 02:48:48 AM »

Absolutely fascinating... but what evidence do we have that we are actually alive, or that we ever die?

None, I guess. When you get right down to it, all we ever really have is our individual sense impressions, which get converted into electrical impulses and sent along the relevant nerves to the brain, where they are processed into images that we project outwards into our environment and call "reality". Luckily, for most of us, this projected "reality" seems remarkably consistent from minute to minute and hour to hour - even from year to year - but it could all be a "Matrix"-like illusion. Until  we notice the cracks in the fašade, the little inconsistencies, the failures of continuity ........

But that way lies paranoia. Or is the entire Universe really out to get us??

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2015, 04:07:05 AM »

For all we know this universe we live in could be nothing more then a single cell in the body of a vast entity . Then again we could be nothing more then somethings else's dream . What we know as time for us a billion years could only be a second in the dream we are part of .
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2015, 01:51:44 PM »

For all we know reflection is penance? Many of us believe we are many people, just not all at the same time. With only a second
between reincarnations. It is amazing to think about.


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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2015, 06:16:00 PM »

admittedly I have pondered the same thing OG, The scenario being of the universe as that cell you mention, one of many in the entirety of space. Are we therefore the information that is contained within that cell? or perhaps the living bacteria that is essential for life?
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2015, 11:01:19 PM »

I remember a story I read as a teen about a childe that lived in a world where everything was ugly and no one was happy so one night she dreamed of a happy fun world . Night after night she dream until she did not wake and she slept and dreamed of that world until she became part of it . She lived happily until she died but the world she dreamed of had become real and the people of that world worshipped her as their creator . There again we could only be a child's dream .................................. .
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2015, 02:21:20 AM »

admittedly I have pondered the same thing OG, The scenario being of the universe as that cell you mention, one of many in the entirety of space. Are we therefore the information that is contained within that cell? or perhaps the living bacteria that is essential for life?

D. Our cells reproduce and store who we are in each. They don't forget.

I remember a story I read as a teen about a childe that lived in a world where everything was ugly and no one was happy so one night she dreamed of a happy fun world . Night after night she dream until she did not wake and she slept and dreamed of that world until she became part of it . She lived happily until she died but the world she dreamed of had become real and the people of that world worshipped her as their creator . There again we could only be a child's dream .................................. .

Og I believe our personal experiences shape who we are, what we see, and feel. We create the world we live in continuously. I like
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2016, 08:13:27 AM »

I'm one of those who believes the only thing that causes us from crossing over properly and reincarnating is our own beliefs and fears by the end of each life and how long it takes to cross over depends on if we can work though it ourselves or gain help with the mediums who can see and hear clearly.

Between incarnation there seems to 'usually' be a time of review and reflection to figure out just what sort of experiences we wish to have in the next. Most of us don't recall past lives and when we do it isn't usually very clear because to rely heavily on those past life experiences is likely not part of the point, mostly for the sake of focusing on what drives us in this particular incarnation.

We seem to have a choice to guide for a time if we so choose before reincarnating. I don't think that would have been in my system of belief if my great grandmother didn't spend a lot of time with me after she passed. I was in my mid teens and she was with me until well into my 20s. I haven't felt her presence for a number of years now so she's likely been reincarnated. She was one of the few I could actually get a waking image of as well as long conversations in my dreams.

Any other guide I've ever had tends to be mostly a feel of a presence and whispers of warnings when needed.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2016, 04:49:19 PM »

I can't find the exact quote on Google (thereby proving that Good Ol' Uncle Google doesn't know everything, something I've suspected for a long time), but I think this quote comes from Robert Pirsig, he of "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" fame. I'm not sure I have it exactly right, but it's close:

"Complex souls do not fare well in this world. That is why we harbour such desperate hopes for the next. And the next. And the next after that."

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2016, 08:16:29 AM »

I am not sure the connection between complex souls and desperate hopes for the next world. What's the context because it could likely mean so many things.
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2016, 08:00:09 PM »

I am not sure the connection between complex souls and desperate hopes for the next world. What's the context because it could likely mean so many things.

I think it's alluding to unhappiness from sensory overload, and the wish for something different or perceived to be better in the next life.
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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2016, 10:45:49 PM »

I think you just about nailed it, Firesong. Complex souls are those that are always seeking; those who can't be satisfied with the glib facile answers of politicians and pontificators and economists; those who wonder how good decent honest generous sensible people can so easily be brainwashed into voting for self-serving pompous frauds like Bush, Trump, Thatcher and Harper - or into joining religious cults like Scientology or The People's Temple;  those who think of that which never was and say "Why not?"; people who perceive clearly that we are collectively heading towards ecological disaster and wonder why our leaders seem oblivious. Somewhere, somewhen, we feel, there must be something better, something gentler and kinder, some place or time where unlimited financial greed is regarded as the pathology that it surely is .....

A forlorn hope? Well, perhaps. But perhaps not ......

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