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Title: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 23, 2015, 01:57:23 PM
I recently read a thing that was talking about therians and otherkin and I'm not quite sure what to make of them. Any thoughts about them? From what I've taken from this website otherkin are bad (in a sense of fluff and fad/wannabe's) but I can't seem to find anything anywhere about Therians. I'm really confused by all of this and I wanted to know what people thought of these.

If being a Therian is a real and accepted thing here, is there anyone who is one and how did you find out? This just seems really interestingn and I'm trying to make sense of everything I'm reading.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 23, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
Therians are people that believe they are anime characters come to life or some idiot nonsense . Otherkin are monkey like people it'sa all a bunch of bull for teeny people that can face the real world . Just my opinion .

Monkey see , monkey do act like a monkey and the monkey is you ( sticking out tongue ) .

If you come across something that makes no sense , then it is most likely something that is senseless . There is some much crap floating around out there it's hard for people to weed out the junk from the truth .

You have and advantaged over them , you have us ( Smile ) .

Your friends at TCC ..................................
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 24, 2015, 12:27:45 AM
Mythological shapeshifters! It was mythology that certain people could morph into other creatures. It's also partially where legends of Werewolves come from.

Definitely listen to OG.... :D
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: smoogoo on October 24, 2015, 09:05:25 PM
My thoughts are if any therianthropy did ever exist my guess is that they would have all died out by now . . . . . . . Some Asian groups would pay big money in order to eat a shape shiftier others believe that their bodies would provide many medical breakthroughs, the reality is the world is to small now days and not a nice place to be living if you are an mythological endangered species :-(
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on October 25, 2015, 12:01:29 AM
"Therianthrope" seems to be a catch-all term referring to humans that are able to change, or believe themselves able to change, wholly or partly into other animals - intentionally or inadvertently. Werewolves are perhaps the widest-known type in mythology and legend, though werebears and weredeer, and even werefalcons and were-eagles, have also been commonly reported. The "Were" part of the name simply means "man", and is most likely from the same root as the Latin "vir".

The word "Therianthrope" is a combination of the Greek words "therion" which means "beast", and "anthropos", meaning "human".

From http://therianthropyresearchgroup.weebly.com/what-is-therianthropy.html :
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Therianthropy refers to the experience of human bodied individuals identifying as non-human animals. This identity is frequently associated with spiritual and psychological experiences and behaviours reported by the therian. The animal which the individual identifies as is the person's 'theriotype', and is usually considered an 'earthly' animal, one that has existed on this planet at some time during its history. An individual's theriotype is not willingly chosen, and may change throughout the therian's lifetime.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthropy :
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Therianthropy is the mythological ability of human beings to metamorphose into animals by means of shapeshifting. It is possible that cave drawings found at Les Trois Frères, in France, depict ancient beliefs in the concept. The most well known form of therianthropy is found in stories concerning werewolves.

The Wikipedia article also gives the examples of the swan-maidens, or Valkyries, of Norse mythology; then there's the Scottish legend of the Silkie, or Selkie, a mythical being that changes from man (or woman) into a seal:

              I am a man upon the land,
                I am a Selkie on the sea;
              And when I'm far away from land,
                My hame it is in Sule Skerry.

Folklore reports that if a man finds a Selkie maiden on shore that has cast off her seal skin, if he finds the seal skin and hides it away the seal maiden might consent to become his wife - and female Selkies are supposed to be ethereally beautiful. The marriage usually ends badly, though; the seal maiden ashore becomes increasingly restless until her husband takes pity on her and restores her seal skin - whereupon she swims away never to be seen again - or returns after many years to claim her children and morph them into Selkies, whereupon they all swim away together......

The moral of this tale seems to be - avoid becoming too emotionally attached to a Therianthrope. Perhaps Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) are a present day North American example of a Therianthrope?

Blessed Be everyone: humans and werecreatures,

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 25, 2015, 06:42:49 AM
Sasquatch are not Were-beast of any sort . They are a very old species that evolution has by-passed . They are long lived and slow to breed .

In the Asian areas you are more likely to come across Were-Foxes and Were-Swans .

Mythological being ? where have they gone . If humans can change in other forms can not other forms change into humans ?.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: smoogoo on October 25, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
In the Canada and the US we have been using satellites to do wildlife population counts since that late 90's. When the satellites do there pass if they catch humans in a secluded area that information is past on the search and rescue in the event that information is needed.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 25, 2015, 01:26:24 PM
Oh wow, so many people have commented! Sorry for taking so long to respond I've been sick and my grandmother is teaching me how to sew!! :3 So og, you believe that they don't exist and it's purely mythological and anyone who says otherwise is either looney or looking for attention (me paraphrasing, haha!). And Alchy you believe that they could possibly exist? Am I getting this right? >.< Or am I misunderstanding? And Drac you say to listen to og and Smoogoo.... I'm not quite sure what you're saying, sorry! o.o
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Firesong on October 25, 2015, 04:46:46 PM
OG said:
"If you come across something that makes no sense , then it is most likely something that is senseless ."

And there are many things that we imbue with energy that are exactly that.  Very sage dude.  Not all things have a discernible reason we can ever hope to understand.  Understanding that can save a lot of needless analytical energy and questioning. 
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 25, 2015, 05:53:16 PM
KittyKat , you miss understand me . I do believe they exist , you do understand that is humans ( churchee's  that have pound in the brainwashed minds of the sheep ) that say's the are mythical not us . I live with a few mythological being for a few years a long time ago . Before you ask it was in a mountainous area where few people ever go .

Humans have a bad habit that if the see something with their minds eye closed they call it a hallucination , after all we all know Dragon aren't real ( grin ) . If we can't see it feel it or kill it then it is not . Smoogoo talked about the satellites watching they work unless your body temperature is the same as the ambient temperature of your surroundings . Humans are finding that out , for years the military has been developing cold suits to defeat thermos imagers . We don't know everything about all things and if you think on it we know very little we just think we know a lot .Some of the people with minds that are closed are scientist . If it doesn't fit what they believe then it doesn't exist .

Humans do have a habit of embellishing things , does a unicorn really have a single horn growing from the center of it's head . When you see one let me know okay .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 25, 2015, 06:08:17 PM
I must say I come from a very close minded family and as I've said many times they're also very Christain... So sorry if my ignorance is overwhelming. I try to be open minded about everything but sometimes my "roots" show! :P Were they Fae that you lived with? Or was it something more? So people who see their souls as non-human are Therians and they do exist. Just making sure I have this down. Couldn't everyone's souls be something other than human though? Because we all have traits of every animal in a sense so does that mean we're all Therians but only those who understand and get in touch with their spirit are called that?

Wow science has come very far, I didn't know that was actually a thing! So if it isn't a hallucination then it's a vision, right? What about when people take drugs that cause them to "hallucinate?" Are they really hallucinating or are they seeing different realities and otherworldly beihgs?

Should I see a unicorn I'll take a mental picture and tell you about it later on! I'll even tell it you say hi if I get the chance!! XD

Sorry I have so many questions. They never seem to end with me, haha!
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 25, 2015, 08:29:34 PM
The more question your ask the more answer you get , when you stop asking question then you have given up , don't give up .

What one sees when doing drugs can be really there or just your mind seeing what it makes up itself . You can never trust what you see when your not in control of your own mind . Ones Spirit self is different then a normal animal form , your spirit form is one of energy not solid matter .

I don't think that seeing ones soul makes one a Therian but that only apply to those that can really shapeshift . Acting like and animal or taking on it's treats does not make yo physically and animal .

They were of the Sidhe , a family of four .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 25, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
That's good. I was worried I'm annoying everyone by all the questions I have. >.<

So Therians can physically change shape then. I think I'm getting it now. XD

Sidhe? I'll have to look them up, I've never heard of those.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 25, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
Real name of what you call the Fae . They don't like that name and they really hate the being called fairies . There are Fairies but their not the same species as the Sidhe .  To many people place all the different species under one name and the others don't like it . Never call a Pixie a Dryad if you want to keep your eyes in your head .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 25, 2015, 09:59:04 PM
I obviously have a lot to learn about.... Mythological creatures(?). I mean they aren't myths so... Gah I don't know what to call anything anymore! I like my eyes in my head so I better start studying!!  ;D
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 26, 2015, 09:57:41 AM
I caught that you antiquated old spook  :-p Dragons certainly exist, never doubt....
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on October 26, 2015, 05:43:47 PM
Sasquatch are not Were-beast of any sort . They are a very old species that evolution has by-passed . They are long lived and slow to breed .

Never having met one - or met anyone who claims to have met one - I couldn't be sure. There are certainly plenty of legends surrounding them, and some very suggestive sightings.

And Alchy you believe that they could possibly exist?

As I've mentioned before on this Forum, I don't believe very much of anything. I suspect a great many things - but I don't necessarily believe any of them. I've met several people with very strong Sidhe (or Fae - not precisely the same thing) characteristics, and a few that seemed suspiciously therianthropic, but it's sometimes hard to be sure. As for Dragons, well, we can't really doubt them when the King Dragon himself speaks ...... one of these days I'll tell you my own Dragon story. One of these days.

Blessed Be everyone, of whatever species.

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 26, 2015, 06:48:14 PM
Saw my first Sasquatch back in 76 while hunting elk , it was a family of three . We were at lease 20 miles from the nearest habit of humans . The area that we were in is a long valley that goes from Washington through Oregon and keeps to the wooded areas all the way to southern California . Most of the locals along the way are Native Americans and they tell no outsiders .

I think a lot of people that live close to nature and see what lives there keep it secret and act as protectors .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 26, 2015, 07:51:22 PM
I understand now, Alchy. I really want to hear this Dragon story! I love stories ^^

That's so cool og!!!! I would really love to visit some NA tribes because I have Cherokee in my blood. All of these things are so fascinating! I may start studying mythology and it's creatures because I'm so ignorant about all of this and want to learn more!
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 27, 2015, 10:39:23 PM
Here are a few book that should interest you , both are good reads .  " The Mythical Creatures Bible " by Brenda Rosen   
and   " Raincoast Sasquatch " by J . Robert Alley   you'll be able to understand why they are hard to see were I live .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: marisol on October 28, 2015, 06:49:17 AM
Interesting read KittyKat. I have heard of Therians, but have never run across one that I know of.

Drac we all know you are an exceptional dragon ;) so no worries there.



Blessings
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 28, 2015, 06:55:15 AM
Interesting read KittyKat. I have heard of Therians, but have never run across one that I know of.

Drac we all know you are an exceptional dragon ;) so no worries there.



Blessings


Thanks H, it's nice to appreciated now and again  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on October 28, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Thank you og!! I'll put those in my list of books to read! ^^

I like you Drac XD you're the only dragon I know so that makes you pretty special, heehee!!!
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on October 28, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
Well, I never met a dragon I didn't like. Some of them look fierce, terrifying even, but if approached with courage and respect they'll tell you all kinds of profound stuff. Some of them even have a wicked sense of humour. A trickster dragon, if you can recognise him/her for what he/she is, can be the best kind of companion on the magical path.

....... well of course there are female dragons. How do you think we get baby dragons? Haven't you heard of Dragon's Eggs?

Question: how do dragons make love?
Answer: VERY, VERY carefully! Especially the fire-breathing ones!

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 28, 2015, 06:54:18 PM
How many different types of Dragons are there ?.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on October 28, 2015, 11:59:08 PM
How many different types of Dragons are there ?.

Honestly, I've no idea. Drac would probably know.

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on October 29, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
I wonder if there are any like Falcor , from the Neverending Story . Now that's a cute Dragon not like one we know .  You do know that old Dragons are the cause of the hole in the Ozone , they get old they leak methane all day long .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on November 25, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
Other kinds of therianthropes exist, as well as the shapeshifting humans already described. There's the antlered Celtic god Cernunnos or Herne, the half-man, half-goat god Pan, the ibis-headed Thoth, the jackal-headed Anubis and many others in the Egyptian pantheon, Ganesha with his elephant's head from India; not to mention mermaids, the Vuivre who has the torso, head and arms of a beautiful woman attached to a serpent's tail, Melusine who had the same problem, and the Minotaur and the Centaurs of course.

Then there are the beings that inhabit the Spirit World of the shamans, who are often half-human and half-bird, deer, snake, cougar, horse, or almost anything else, and who are depicted as such in cave paintings many thousands of years old, and incised on stone or bone; and the critters encountered by many UFO abductees, often owls who morph into humanoids and vice versa, and the ubiquitous "Grey Aliens" who could be, well, almost anything; vaguely humanoid, but with the skin tone and texture of axolotls or sea slugs.

In shamanic terms these beings are teachers and initiators, who give the shaman knowledge and understanding so that he or she can return to the tribe and be a healer. In UFO abductee terms, they perform operations on us eerily similar to those reported by shamans, and quite often the abductees are given warnings that humanity's present course is heading for ecological disaster. Much of this stuff is discussed in Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind" (Disinformation Books, 2007; see http://grahamhancock.com/supernatural/ ). Hancock hypothesizes that our Homo sapiens ancestors, the Cro-Magnons, received a brain boost some 40,000 years ago by ingesting hallucinogenic plants and fungi that put them in touch with the Spirit World, and with humanity's first teachers.

Blessed Be everyone,

Alchymist.

Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on November 25, 2015, 03:24:02 AM
They are known as Star Brother Alchy . They live in the upper world also called the Wonder Workers . From above they drop a feather from and Eagle and who it lands on will be the one they teacher the healing way . They show them how to walk in harmony with the spirits of the land and what lives on the land , they teacher the way of speaking with all the other life forms of the world . Owl is many things but what Owl teaches is how to see the soul of others and know which follow the wicked way . There are many forms of Shamanism some overlap and some don't some Shamans are more adept at one way then others . All Shaman's are vision travelers , but they do not do their work all the same way . Dream quest Shamans get answers in their dream travels , other's get the healing songs , then there are the drummers , the weavers the painters , and those that transfer the evil into themselves . You have ones that speak and call upon the healing abilities of their Totem and Spirit animals to heal with their powers . All depends on what they are trying to heal or those they need to set on the right path for healing ,not just the body but the spirit that is in them . They do more then just heal people they try to heal the land and that is the hardest thing to do , if get damage faster then it can be healed .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on November 29, 2015, 01:18:44 AM
The other home of Therianthropes is in children's literature - from Korky the Cat and Biffo the Bear in the old  British kids' comics, by way of Disney's Mickey Mouse (a mouse that wears clothes and walks on his hind legs) and Donald Duck (a duck in a sailor suit) and Goofy (an animal of indeterminate species who, nevertheless, acts like a human - more or less) to Rat, Mole, Toad and Badger in "The Wind in the Willows", animals that talk and act like humans, interact as equals with humans, and yet retain distinct Rattish, Molish, Toadish and Badgerish characteristics.

Then there's the whole Rupert Bear mythos; Rupert is essentially a small boy with a bear's head (just as Anubis is a man with a jackal's head), Bill the Badger is a small boy with a badger's head, etc., etc. This has to be one of the most fully developed imaginary worlds in all of literature, rivalling Discworld; Rupert and his friends live in the village of Nutwood which seems straight out of 1930s England, but they have all kinds of amazing adventures with elves, sea serpents, twig creatures, castles in the clouds, vast systems of underground caverns, time machines, an elevator that passes right through the Earth with its other end in China - but they always manage to return home in time for tea.....

And if we can extend our metaphor slightly, we have what we might call Mechanthropes - machine-human hybrids - think of the Thomas the Tank Engine books and the Thomas and Friends TV series, where steam locomotives, trucks, buses and cranes have human - or at least humanoid - faces, talk to their operators, and exhibit all-too-human emotions like sulkiness, mischievousness, embarrassment, jealousy ........ 

We've come a long way from werewolves and shapeshifters - or have we? At some deep, subconscious level, do we Humans recognise these modern therianthropes such as Mickey Mouse and Rupert Bear as shadows, echoes, inducing dim memories of a distant past when the Spirit World seemed closer to us and human interaction with the denizens of the Faery Realms was felt to be far more probable than it seems to be for the average 21st century office worker or machine operator?

Blessed Be everyone - human and hybrid,

Alchymist. 
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on November 29, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
Does give one pause for thought on what some of the older God/dess were , were they animals in human form or humans in animal form or part of each at the same time . Where they , their form or one worn just for us . Does not seem that the forms were to frighten us , and did those forms represent their part in nature or because they were something that early people were familiar with in the areas they lived . Could that be the reason why when one finds peoples worshiping the same God/dess in different areas they appear somewhat different for what they are like in areas that may not have the same type of animal living there or they could be different as in size or length of hair and colour ?.

An what about colour , does it play an important role . Those of you who no about the Native Americans know that white coloured animals are ones of great power . We have the White Buffalo , the White Deer , and the White Wolf . On the east coast if ones see a white squirrel it means a good harvest . A white deer can lead you safely home , a white wolf will aide you in times of danger . What of the other colours , a blood wolf ( red coloured ) means you will come to great harm , you should never follow a red bird in the woods . A red(ish) bears is a warning of great danger in pain in the near future etc..
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on November 29, 2015, 01:04:26 PM
I can see Al has given considerable thought to the comparative metaphor of our cartoon characters offered up as therianthropes. Indeed to carry this forward, consider the cartoons where the characters are all humanoid but have a creature as part of their company who can think talk and act with human characteristics and traits, as example we have Scooby Doo. Then there are the half human half feline characters of the Thundercats who have Snarf as their companion creature. It's amusing to consider the comparisons, what was the thinking behind such inclusions?

And with the thought of Gods and their changes as OG illustrates, consider the fable of Leda and the Swan; Zeus turned himself into a swan to seduce Leda (the dude was a bit of a lush with the ladies of course). From her it was said was born Helen and Polydeuces of Greek legend.

To briefly step back a moment; trying to count Dragons is like herding cats. Because of there being so many, it would be difficult to quantify. Take the Chinese for instance or Japanese, they have a Dragon for every occasion (most particularly the elements - guardians perhaps? did they think that way?). Then you have every country and every culture all having their own versions of Dragons. Some with four legs and wings some with two, some that are snake or serpent like and also a very few with no wings at all. Next we can imagine the Dragons of fiction; epitomising what we fear in some cases and what we admire in others. The Dragons of Anne McCaffreys Pern books, they are of different colours which denotes their standing in each weyr; brown, green, blue with ranking Dragons being the colours of precious metals. There was also a white Dragon who was thought to be a runt because of his small stature, but turned out to be really quite a special Dragon after all.

Many believed that Dragons can transform themselves into human form, taking on the characteristics and frailties of humans; These are very beautiful people of course; there are again comparisons to these beliefs as to what Draconic characteristics are retained in human form.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on November 29, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
Does give one something to think about . Do think this tale is one that is world wide( with local variations ) . My Great- great grandmother told this to me ,, that at one time all things that lived could speak a single language but one humans . Taking pity on the humans a hound taught them how to speak and as punishment for what the hound had done that all of his kind where cursed to forever be at his side and not allowed to range free anymore . The curse can only be lifted when humans teach another species to speak their language .

Then again are there not certain animals that can confuse the minds of those that are sick on unstable . Coyote and Raven do enjoy doing it . Got me to thinking about Berkowitz and how his neighbors dog told him to kill . There was one from I believe upstate New York in the 50's where the mans horse told him to kill his wife .

Just because their cute and cuddly does mean their nice , what about Puss-in Boots ; a bipedal cat with a sword now that's dangerous .

Drac , would you then classify Wyvern as a subspecies of dragons or a different species all together ?. Dose that also cover flying snakes that have no limbs like the Olmec and Mayan feather serpent ?.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Aunt Thora on November 30, 2015, 07:31:40 AM
Very interesting read ....

     I can't say one way or the other what is true or not.  As I have seen a few things, that when I mention was scorn at for so I jsut keep my mouth shut and listen and watch. 

    We have a farmer who leases the land here and has for many years.  He has told us that he has spotted big foot a couple of times.  He is the type that most people respect in the area.  He has share this with a few others and of course in a small town things get around.  What I find kind of amazing is no one disputes him.  We also had a visitor that claims he had seem big foot as well.  I have lived her for about 8 years now and have gone for many walks and not seen any thing and that is very good by me.  If I do spot one will just wave and go about my way. Unless it is hurt then I will have to stop and do what I can to help.

       Alchymist I too would be very interested in hearing your story about the dragon
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on November 30, 2015, 05:12:20 PM
You'll get no scorn from any here . For all we know Sasquatch could be territorial and like a bear or cougar that territory could cover hundred of mile . They may only be in certain area do to food supplies . A lot of research has shown that they follow herds of deer , different seasons can bring out berries or mushrooms . River runs of fish are seasonal also .

What the farmer plants could be another food source for them . Several years ago up on the Olympic peninsula a group of women went in search of Sasquatch , they tried different things to attract one . Dancing , sings , laughing etc. The only group that believe one camp into their camp at night was the group that worn no perfume . Make that what you may , scent of perfume could be something that act like and alarm to them . Take a shower with unscented soap and wear no perfume see if you can attract one that way .

Good to hear from you , do hope all is going well with you Aunt Thora , enjoy your upcoming holiday .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on December 06, 2015, 12:51:02 AM
Quote from KittyKat, October 26th 2015:
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I understand now, Alchy. I really want to hear this Dragon story! I love stories ^^

Right, my dragon story. Well, this is how it happened; it's sort of weird, but I promise I'm not making it up.

I was at a meditation workshop weekend, many years ago - must have been early 1980's - and one meditation exercise involved meeting our spirit guides. The spirits must have had it in for me that day, or perhaps they just have a weird sense of humour; because while everyone else was getting Cherokee elders, Druids, or Aztec priestesses - or at least, that's what they claimed to be getting - I got, I kid you not, Bugs Bunny. At least it introduced some levity into the proceedings, which were getting altogether too serious by half; but I must say, old Bugs certainly had his uses, helping me to keep my cool on several occasions when everything around me seemed to be going pear-shaped. He's still there, lurking, encouraging me to lighten up. Alright, Bugs, I hear you.

In the last 25 years or so, however - and this is going to sound altogether too pretentious - but my Spirit Guide, familiar, or whatever you want to call it, has been - a dragon. And not just any old dragon either, but a Senior Dragon, or at least that's what he says he is - he's definitely male, - about 150ft. long, nose to tip of tail (which ends in an arrow point), covered in scales variously coloured from green to gold to purple, with big leathery wings (of course), four legs which end in huge hook-taloned paws, and garbage-can-lid-sized amber eyes. His normal demeanour is grumpy, but he is, or claims to be, wondrously wise, and he doesn't breathe smoke and fire very much, except when he thinks I'm doing anything more than usually stupid (which is much more often than I'd like). He has a sardonic, and sarcastic, sense of humour; the highest praise I've ever heard from him is a grunted "Hrrrrumph. Not too bad."

I don't remember exactly where and when I found him - or perhaps more accurately, he found me.

He can get quite snarky at times, especially when he thinks I'm being exceptionally dense; coming out with comments like "You realize it's a great honour to be befriended by a dragon, don't you? I don't HAVE to do this, you know. I'm a SENIOR DRAGON, I hope you understand?"

 But I must say he does seem to help me to have occasional lucid moments, or at least to be not totally stupid all of the time. It can get quite wearing, though; I keep expecting to hear a muttered "Grrrrrrumph!" and find myself coughing in a cloud of evil-smelling smoke. Having a dragon familiar - I mean, of course, a SENIOR DRAGON familiar - is a big responsibility.

I'm perfectly serious about all this. A dragon. Really, I ask you.

Blessed Be, KittyKat and everyone,

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on December 06, 2015, 03:52:50 PM
You know of course that I for one would not mock, doubt or ridicule this. I have never heard or read anywhere that your Spirit guide cannot be a being of myth, fable or legend, or for that matter, toon-life (although that does raise my eyebrows a bit). To me, your guide is who or whatever it needs to be in order to capture your attention in the best way in order for you to learn.

I'm not sure entirely that a Spirit guide is even a Spirit of a particular creature per se, I would in my limited perception say that the Spirit is possibly a Spirit and takes on the persona necessary for the "job in hand". This is of course conjecture on my part.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Canis on December 06, 2015, 04:51:31 PM

I'm not sure entirely that a Spirit guide is even a Spirit of a particular creature per se, I would in my limited perception say that the Spirit is possibly a Spirit and takes on the persona necessary for the "job in hand". This is of course conjecture on my part.

That's pretty much the way I figure it works as well.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on December 06, 2015, 05:08:14 PM
Thanks Canis, it does make sense doesn't it ?!
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Canis on December 06, 2015, 05:59:01 PM
It does to me.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: marisol on December 06, 2015, 10:00:25 PM
I do know two dragons, one I met long ago was very funny and kind. He disappeared suddenly and I have never found him since.

The dragon I speak of now is a very good friend. He is kind however not above setting me straight when needed. I think very highly
of him.


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Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on December 07, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
Fables , myths and legends are just the words people uses that can not believe what they see is real . Just because they are not around at the present time does not mean they won't be back ( THE SOONER THE BETTER ) . Is there evidences of them , yes they have only been mislabeled by the scientific community because they can believe what they see and call it something else that fits into their tiny world . "
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on December 11, 2015, 01:25:29 PM
Everyone has so many cool stories to tell! Everyone's talking about dragons and it makes me think of a thing my friend and I did when we were younger. We went to church together (though she was kind of half Jew/half Christain) and one day she told me she had a pet/companion who was a dragon. I don't remember his name (something like Gajeel I think) and she told me anyone could have one, they just had to be creative enough. So she helped me create one during a sleepover one night. I imagined his gender and egg and pictures them hatching. Then he came out holding a saxophone because his talent was music, like me. He was small and green and really cute. I named him Romeo. Our dragons had their own personality's and if they tried to talk to us and we ignored them, they'd get mad and build walls up so we couldn't see or talk to them.

Her's lived in a genie bottle underwater and mine lived in front of a waterfall on a grassy cliff of land. They would visit each other and hang out and we'd bring them everywhere with us. As we got older they grew and I remember watching them fly alongside our cars. But school and family problems soon got in the way and I eventually forgot about him. I can still clearly picture his little cabin and the waterfall and stuff, but it feels empty when I try to look in (there's like a magickal barrier around it and I can never get into his house). I wonder if these were just the wild imaginations of my friend and me or if there was something more to it. What do y'all think?
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on December 11, 2015, 05:19:21 PM
I think you have a lot of work to do to break down that wall your Dragon has built, for ignoring him for so long now  :)
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on December 11, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
Hahaha probably so! You think it isn't just a child's imagination then, Drac?
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on December 11, 2015, 05:31:19 PM
Being a great believer in Dragonkind myself, I rule nothing out where they are concerned. Bear in mind, in a child's eyes there is much revealed, but becomes hidden from us as we grow older.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on December 11, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
Children see with and open mind that is not clouded by the everyday world . As people grow they tend to forget what they once could see do to new things coming into their lives . We miss so much when we close door in our minds . You need to unlock thjose doors and throw away the key .

Did you say you where ' small , green and really cute ??????????.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on December 12, 2015, 01:43:29 AM
Hahaha probably so! You think it isn't just a child's imagination then, Drac?

The problem here lies in the choice of words; isn't it "just" a child's imagination?

Yes, it's a child's imagination - but never "just".. It's also the "imagination" of all genuine artists, poets, story tellers, bards and witches - and scientists and explorers and inventors - those of us who are still able, despite all the conditioning and programming and repression that the world can throw at us, to access that level of consciousness beyond the mundane, wherein dragons and elves, castles and caverns, knights and princesses, talking animals and soulmates and spirit guides have their dwelling. The word "Imagination" comes from the same root as "magic", "image", "mage", "magister" ("master"), "mega" (from the Greek "megistos", "greatest", as in "Hermes Trismegistos", "Thrice-Greatest Hermes"), perhaps even "major" and "majesty".

Quote
"You see things, and you say, "Why?" I dream of things that never were, and say, "Why not?""

Blessed Be, all of you who still dare to imagine, and to dream,

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on December 13, 2015, 04:25:17 PM
" and the blue bird speaks of impossible things , things that are impossible and can not be but should be and are "
                                                                                                                                                             Tennyson

 believe in what you see and then you will see what you believe , is what one sees real or is it real only to those that can see
                         
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on December 13, 2015, 05:20:23 PM
Man og, that was deep. I'll have to try thinking about Romeo again. He's the only male I'll ever need in my life (besides Robin, and Batman is a girl so she doesn't count). I wish I had y'all as a family, then I'd still be creative and fun like a kid. Instead I'm turning stuffy and boring like my family which sucks.

This may sound totally looney but while typing this I got the feeling of not being alone and I'm pretty sure he's peeking his head over my shoulder. Maybe I've still got my <insert whatever you'd call it< in me after all! I mean, today I've been super hot which never happens. Could only be the work of a fire dragon, right (it's a joke I've never read any dragon mythology, just know what's on my left shoulder haha... I'm totally bonkers!!!!)
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on December 13, 2015, 07:03:56 PM
... I'm totally bonkers!

At last! A soul sister...........! Been searching for you all my life!
Trust me ...... Bonkers is the only sane place to be, on this planet in the 21st century.

Blessed Be all bonkers humans everywhere,

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on December 13, 2015, 08:41:43 PM
Glad to be soul siblings with you Alchy! :P I'm pretty sure I've always been bonkers, I'm just finally realizing it!

I just imagined us all being in a mental institution in straight jackets running around trying to play tag. But since our hands and arms are tied to our bodies we'd lose our sense of balance and just fall everywhere then roll around on the floor because we can't get up.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on December 14, 2015, 04:41:56 AM
KittyKat , we are your surrogate invisible family , you can hear us you just can't see us . Nice to have a granddaughter .

Leave a treat for Romeo on the outside widow sill , get a piece of coal and wrap it in bacon . That should bring him around more .

If you fall on the floor and can't get up do this , push your jaw hard on the ground and then bring your legs up to your chest , lift your head and lurch forward , it's called doing the worm . Looks really funny to anyone watching ............heehee .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: KittyKat on December 14, 2015, 09:12:59 AM
So does this mean Alchy is your grandson? XD Y'all are the coolest surrogate invisible family ever, haha!

I wonder how I'll explain that to my grandparents .... I can see it now, me asking for coal and bacon and her questioning me. "Oh just, you know. Gonna feed my little dragon friend." She already laughed at me once for going outside and finding a stick from our Japanese maple that had fallen. I currently have three long sticks in my room that I'm waiting to carve up for a wand. Have to keep my grandparents from tossing them because they come in and fuss haha!

When I was younger I tried to do the worm once and I basically just went splat. Spread eagle with my forehead on the floor because I failed miserably XD
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on December 27, 2015, 12:24:13 AM
So does this mean Alchy is your grandson? XD Y'all are the coolest surrogate invisible family ever, haha!

Since I never knew either of my grandfathers, I suppose anything's possible. Though he'd have to be at least 150 years old. So what's your secret then, og? Yearly trips down to the Fountain of Youth, supposedly discovered in Florida by the Spanish explorer and Governor of Puerto Rico, Juan Ponce de Leon, in 1513? The water is supposed to have high concentrations of iron and manganese. When I lived on Saltspring Island, British Columbia, some years ago, I had my well water analysed and found, sure enough, high concentrations of iron and manganese.

Funny coincidence, that.

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

There's a fascinating book by Patrick Harpur, "Daimonic Reality: a Field Guide to the Otherworld." An early Yule gift from my wife Myranda (I'm about half way through it), it makes a fairly good case that all those strange, mythical creatures that lurk in dreams or half-seen at the edge of vision - elves, gnomes, dragons, therianthropes such as werewolves, centaurs and mermaids, Gods and Goddesses, lake monsters, Sasquatches, grey aliens and Men In Black - are various manifestations of the shapeshifting denizens of what Harpur calls a "Daimonic" realm - a "reality" separate from, but closely allied to, our own, though with its own rules and customs; somewhat like a blend of Jung's Collective Unconscious with the Poetic imagination described by William Blake, and the Celtic Sidhe, or Underworld.

Like subatomic particles, often they cannot be observed directly but only by the traces they leave behind; the act of observation changes that which is observed. In a very real sense, the phenomenon changes itself to conform to what we humans expect to see; if we "believe", deep down, in fairies, then we'll probably see fairies; if we're of a more technological mindset, then, obligingly, they'll appear to us as grey aliens piloting a silvery flying saucer.

Blessed Be everyone,

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on December 27, 2015, 11:29:27 PM
Iron does help the body as an oxygen carrier and is good for the brain , muscles strengthen the immune system , while manganese is good for the bones , kidneys liver and help with aid the sexual hormones . All of this is good for ones health but when you combine them in a natural hot spring that also has lithium in it you get that feeling of invigoration you can see why people could think of it as a fountain of youth and fat metabolizer . Take a few dips any feel better  No Alchy no fountain of youth for me , I found a Lazarus pool ................

So what does Harpur think , does he infer some type of dimensional doorways that they can pass threw at will ?. I will have to check it out , thanks for the info .

Something comes back to me about the old Magic lantern shows ( UV light projectors ) that they had in the 1930's . If I recall the early projectors would sometimes light up something that was invisible to the naked eye . Not sure if that is still true . They also call the project tors Cats eyes because you could see certain things in the UV range just as cats do .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on December 28, 2015, 12:29:12 AM

So what does Harpur think , does he infer some type of dimensional doorways that they can pass threw at will ?.

Dimensional doorways in space and time, at certain times and in certain places, yes.

Alchymist.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on December 28, 2015, 12:52:34 AM
Just looked up some of his other books and " The Philosophers Secret Fire " seems it would be a good read also .
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on December 28, 2015, 01:55:59 AM
"The Philosopher's Secret Fire" was my Yule gift to myself; I recently finished reading it, but it's one of those books I'll re-read several times, and get more insights with each reading - as with "Daimonic Reality." "Mercurius" also by Harpur, which I have on order, is by all accounts also a good read.

"Secret Fire" and "Daimonic Reality" are complementary to each other, and cover some of the same ground but from different points of view. I won't call them easy reads - the information density is quite high - but both repay careful study.

Alchymist. 
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on January 29, 2016, 03:59:13 PM
Well now we have Nano the Norwegian cat girl . Wonder what ever happened to the Dog Faced boy ?.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Amberhawk on January 29, 2016, 05:31:56 PM
I tried to avoid this topic for the most part. I have a little trouble with the idea of transforming.. to me human is human regardless of what one identifies with. I honestly don't care to argue with anyone about it as each of us have our own prerogative to be and do as we wish providing it doesn't interfere drastically and negatively with another's life... but I do have to worry a tiny bit about a person's mentality when it such a claim is made. Anything I've seen otherwise has always turned out to be a human's perception of what their creature side is.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on January 31, 2016, 07:42:37 PM
AmberHawk , wouldn't you like a nice furry friend that does what you tell it and loves you unconditionally and all you have to do is feed him and let him out a few times a day ( emo's still not working ) LOL and then some ............
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Amberhawk on February 03, 2016, 06:50:26 AM
LOL  I would, but an actual critter rather than a human acting like it because they feel they relate so well.... I had one of those already... he's call a child... LOL!!
 Well... at least when he was little, the child became a teen... now that's a whole different type of animal all together me thinks...

 O.o
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on February 03, 2016, 07:02:19 PM
Teenager are doppelganger that have replace your nice sweet kiddy's . Beware ..................................aaaahh.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on March 17, 2016, 07:12:12 PM
The transformation is usually quite slow, that is until they hit the high school; Then it becomes very easy to believe they are in fact changelings sent to torment us.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: marisol on March 18, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
I found 13-15 yrs to be the worst. After that he transformed into a responsible human being.LOL ;D
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on March 18, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
I found 13-15 yrs to be the worst. After that he transformed into a responsible human being.LOL ;D

I really wish mine would!  :-p :-[
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: oldghost on March 21, 2016, 02:24:53 PM
What's great about being a human being ?.
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Draconis Rex on March 21, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
Afraid it's not the human being bit I'm concerned with, more the responsibility  :-p
Title: Re: Therianthropy
Post by: Alchymist on March 21, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
To have the maturity and sense of responsibility of the adult - but to retain the curiosity and the thirst for new experiences of the child  ;D ...... that's the key to being a real human being; and certainly the key to being a real Witch. To strike the right balance  :-\ - it's difficult, but not impossible, I think.

Blessed Be everyone, humans (and others) of all ages,

Alchymist.