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Title: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: KissTheMiMes on April 12, 2010, 01:08:25 PM
I was just curious if anyone here feels wrong to celebrate Christian holidays?? I was thinking the other day er.. week when it was getting close to Easter that I don't know if I would want my children to celebrate these holidays with meanings that I don't believe in... 

I would also feel pretty bad though if they hear of other kids getting presents and such... I don't want to control their religion, but it feels wrong celebrating and teaching something I dislike.

 ???
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Arnemetia on April 12, 2010, 01:41:39 PM
In my house we celebrate both Christian and Pagan holidays. I see nothing wrong with it. Giving kids all the information they will need to eventually make their own decision, to me, is a good thing. Just because I participate in the festivities does not mean I share in those beliefs.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: The Pet Goddess on April 12, 2010, 04:14:31 PM
I suppose it depends on what you mean by celebrate.  I see holidays as an excuse for a family get together and good food.  I don't celebrate any holiday's religious aspects.  I do, however, find the time to thank, honor, and remember those that serve and served our country, especially on those days set aside in their honor.  I make it a point to shake the hand of and sometimes give a hug to those in uniform.  Their commitment and sacrifice means everything to me.  THANK YOU!!
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: FireWillow on April 12, 2010, 04:31:46 PM
I don't necessarily feel it is "wrong," but I see no point in celebrating Christian holidays as a Wiccan.

My holidays as a Wiccan are every bit as festive, if not more so, than the holidays of Christianity, mainly because I have a connection to the meaning behind them.  On Ostara, we still color eggs.  The Ostara Hare show up on the eve of the equinox and hides eggs and leaves baskets.  We feast and discuss the egg's significance on the holiday and the meaning of the holiday itself.

Santa still comes by on the eve of Yule to deliver presents.  There is a gift exchange as well as a feast, and we discuss the events leading up to and surrounding the birth of the God and mark the beginning of the return of light.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: KissTheMiMes on April 12, 2010, 05:20:54 PM
I do agree with the giving them all the information they need to know to choose their own path.  Maybe since I was raised in a forceful Christian home, I just kind of dislike the Whole religion and don't want to be associated with it...
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: dark magus on April 12, 2010, 07:52:05 PM
When you really look at it, all Christian holidays that I can think of have a basis in some pagan path from the past. They've simple attempted to give pagan holidays their own slant on meaning.
I don't "celebrate" any Christian holidays per say. However, I do partake of the get togeathers, parties, and family gatherings and try to keep it in my mind the origins of the holiday at hand.
But then, I don't "celebrate" the wheel either as I don't follow a Celtic or Wiccan path.

If you feel it's wrong to celebrate....say Christmas. Don't feel bad. I'm sure no Jew or Muslim would fault you for it. And if you do want to celebrate it, go for it. It's all personal choice, what we as individuals feel comfortable with.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Wild Kitteh on April 13, 2010, 02:27:12 AM
I taught my children that ALL the Christian Holidays were actually re-worked Pagan Holidays and as such we "celebrated both". They now follow their own paths; not being tied to any religion other than a deep respect for Family, Friends, and Elders (of which your returned soldiers are included) That was my take on the dilema and it has proven good with my children.

How they raise theirs is yet to be seen.

Unfortunately your Ostara here in the Southern Hemisphere (we get 2 growing seasons) is not much more than a Chocolate Festival...But the BEST bit is that it is spent with Family!! It is a bit tricky trying to do Samhain @ Easter....
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: FireWillow on April 13, 2010, 06:03:07 AM
I taught my children that ALL the Christian Holidays were actually re-worked Pagan Holidays and as such we "celebrated both".

All of them?  Are you certain?  What re-worked pagan holiday is Epiphany?  Maundy Thursday?  Good Friday?  Pentecost Sunday?  Advent?

It is a bit tricky trying to do Samhain @ Easter....

Why would someone "do" Samhain at Easter.  I see absolutely no correlation on the Wheel.  Your Samhain in the southern hemisphere this year is May 5/6 (check local listings) and Easter was April 4.  That's a month apart, and they pretty consistently remains so any year, as Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the northern hemisphere's vernal equinox, which means the latest it can possibly fall is April 25, and Samhain takes place sometime during the first 7 days of May.  ???
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: soulfire on April 13, 2010, 07:56:10 AM
Do you feel that celebrating the different holidays makes it somehow automatic that you then practice the religion?  As you can see, there are both christian and secular ways to celebrate them.  Choose the way that fits your family best and make no apologies.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: KissTheMiMes on April 13, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
Do you feel that celebrating the different holidays makes it somehow automatic that you then practice the religion?  As you can see, there are both christian and secular ways to celebrate them.  Choose the way that fits your family best and make no apologies.

More than likely, a religion has their own holidays.  So if I were to celebrate Christmas it would be participating in that religion.  Yes?  I know that they were Pagan holidays, but Dec. 25th is Christmas that Christians celebrate! As is Easter.  I don't want to celebrate that.  I just really oppose Christianity at the moment! I do suppose it may change as my knowledge on religion grows...
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Arnemetia on April 13, 2010, 01:25:22 PM
More than likely, a religion has their own holidays.  So if I were to celebrate Christmas it would be participating in that religion.  Yes?   I know that they were Pagan holidays, but Dec. 25th is Christmas that Christians celebrate! As is Easter.  I don't want to celebrate that.  I just really oppose Christianity at the moment! I do suppose it may change as my knowledge on religion grows...

No. In my home we have three different beliefs. My Sweetie is Russian Orthodox, his Easter and Christmas is on  different dates; my sons and the rest of our families and friends are Christian, they have different dates; I am Wiccan, I have different but similar holidays on different dates. We celebrate all three, each honoring their own beliefs. Just because I cook a Christmas feast for my Sweetie on Jan. 7th to help him celebrate Christmas does not mean I embrace his beliefs or religion. It means I respect them.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: dark magus on April 13, 2010, 10:54:32 PM
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So if I were to celebrate Christmas it would be participating in that religion.  Yes?

Ah....no!. By enjoying Christmas, I'm participating in the commercialized seasonal family get together. If I went to mass, then I'd be participating in the religion.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Raine Morgaine on April 16, 2010, 12:29:52 AM
We hardly ever celebrated the Christian holidays at home when I was little. Christmas meant presents and Easter meant candy. ;) Nothing more than that. I was raised atheist, to take everything religious with a big grain of salt. Probably because my mother's side of the family were/are strongly devoted Catholics, and she disagrees with the whole religion. (She is also an ethnologist and social anthropologist, and has a great interest in shamanic traditions, plus she's read a number of books on Wicca. :) )

I don't feel wrong celebrating this way. What says you can't have a bit of fun with everyone else? A lot of people who celebrate aren't part of the religion anyway, as far as I know. I do try to make it a bit more special when celebrating Wiccan holidays, because that is the religion I follow, and of course it holds more spiritual value for me.

Just my 2p. ;)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Keysol on April 18, 2010, 01:47:26 AM
In my household, we decided to celebrate both Christian and Pagan holidays. Taz is responsible for the Pagan ones and I am responsible for the Christian ones.

I like doing it this way because it gets both of us researching about something unfamiliar. Even though it's just the two of us, we enjoy the process of it all. We each take the responsibility to plan meals that are traditional to the holiday as well as traditional activities.

I have a healthy respect for the Christian religion....I actually find it very interesting and beautiful. Taz, though it took some time, has warmed up to paganism enough to even consider himself more pagan then Christian, but we both believe it's important not to loose touch with one's spiritual roots, whatever those may be.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: KissTheMiMes on April 19, 2010, 12:35:06 PM
No. In my home we have three different beliefs. My Sweetie is Russian Orthodox, his Easter and Christmas is on  different dates; my sons and the rest of our families and friends are Christian, they have different dates; I am Wiccan, I have different but similar holidays on different dates. We celebrate all three, each honoring their own beliefs. Just because I cook a Christmas feast for my Sweetie on Jan. 7th to help him celebrate Christmas does not mean I embrace his beliefs or religion. It means I respect them.

What would you do if they did not have different beliefs though??  Say, you were all Wiccans.  Would you still celebrate those holidays for your kids sake?
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Arnemetia on April 19, 2010, 01:35:12 PM
What would you do if they did not have different beliefs though??  Say, you were all Wiccans.  Would you still celebrate those holidays for your kids sake?

I can't honestly say as that was not the case when I was raising the boys. I believe I probably would have to a certain extent. Not the religious aspects but the celebratory ones; family, friends, good reason for Uncle Dick to get hammered, etc.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: KissTheMiMes on April 21, 2010, 12:43:27 PM
... good reason for Uncle Dick to get hammered, etc.

LoL!! That is horrible!! =p
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: edens garden on April 21, 2010, 12:48:42 PM
LoL!! That is horrible!! =p
Oh, I'm pretty sure there is one in every family. My dad and I used to take bets every Thanksgiving on how long it would take one of my uncles to get so drunk he started falling down...
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Rhapsody on April 22, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
I only celebrate wiccan holidays with my children. Their dad and I are divorced so they celebrate christian ones with him.  My current husband is christian also, but while I respect his beliefs, I do not feel the need to teach my children something I do not believe in.  My children think christmas is for presents and easter is for candy, nothing more.  I teach them the stories and meanings behind the wiccan holidays though and I do not feel that they are left out as the holidays are full of crafts, food and family and presents on yule.  I put a plastic culdron under the tree instead of stockings.=)



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Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: strange_seeker on May 20, 2010, 02:31:26 PM
I celebrate Christian holidays because that's what I grew up with, and I don't have much of a choice. I can't very well celebrate my Wiccan holidays since no one in my family knows I am. (They'd disown me.)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: MissTree on May 20, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
I attend the Thanksgiving & Christmas get-togethers in my family. Some years, I host it. For me, it's not about christmas. I look at it as family time and plan my solitary Yule celebration for a different day.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: FireWillow on May 20, 2010, 03:34:47 PM
I celebrate Christian holidays because that's what I grew up with, and I don't have much of a choice. I can't very well celebrate my Wiccan holidays since no one in my family knows I am. (They'd disown me.)

Why would they have to know that you're celebrating them?

You do know you needn't have a fancy ritual to honor the Goddess and God, yes?

Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: edens garden on May 21, 2010, 08:58:37 PM
I don't see a problem in celebrating them. My boyfriend is (at least for now) Lutheran. He celebrates my holidays with me, why wouldn't I do the same for him?
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Hjolmaer on May 22, 2010, 08:18:08 AM
Give and take is good for a relationship, EG.

To SS: As Firewillow said, you can recognize and observe your holidays.  Just look around, see what you can do.  Decorate a bit for it.  Most people saw my Yule decorations last year, and thought they were Christmas decorations.  They double either way, really.

Or, you can just internalize it.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: sparrowhawk on May 22, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
I don't have children, but I think it is important for children to celebrate with their parents as well as their friends. My neighbor is Wiccan and she has 2 young boys. They celebrate both as her husband and his family are christian, but they understand what mommy believes and why she believes it. They each even have a cauldron...how cute is that?

I, personally, have the joy of a supportive family which enjoys Sabbat meals with me and thinks my holiday crafts are beautiful. On their holidays, I do the same out of respect for them.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Kypress on August 02, 2010, 12:08:01 PM
I want to teach my daughter (and any future children we have) about as many religions as we can, holidays included.  While my family and myself are christian, my family is more churchians.  I'm under the impression that Jesus was tolerant and didn't want a religion (somewhere in that darned book, because I've read it before) and would be VERY upset with how "christians" act.  I am wanting to learn more about Wicca and Paganism so that way I can make my own decision too, but I plan on celebrating any darn holiday that I come across (I like food, okay, and any reason to have family time is a plus)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Black Hat Guy on August 02, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
Christianity is part of the culture and history of Western Civilization, whether you like it or not, and I see no problem with celebrating it even if you do it in a purely secular way, like I do.

Hell, last night I was marching around town singing "viva la Suisse" for National Switzerland Day, and I've only been here 5 weeks.  Never turn down the chance for a holiday and a bit of fun.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Edward Collett on August 02, 2010, 06:43:22 PM
I simply find that christian holidays are good excuses to get off work, see the family, eat some good food, and have fun.  I don't think that celebrating the Holiday means you're practicing Christianity, it just all depends on what you feel or think during the holiday.  If you celebrate Christmas and praise Jesus Christ and sing the Biblical songs, then yes, you are some-what practicing Christianity but that still doesn't mean you are exactly.  If you sing the songs or praise the bible on the holiday but don't exactly accept, believe, or practice what you're preaching it doesn't mean that you're taking part in Christianity.  You aren't necessarily being honest with yourself, but you also aren't taking part.

Now, if you preach the bible and Jesus on Christmas (I'll continue with that example) and you believe it, accept it, or practice it then yes, you are taking part in Christianity.

I just use it as an excuse to get free stuff, food, and to see my family.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Kypress on November 30, 2010, 12:15:13 PM
Xmas (http://books.google.com/books?id=2yJusP0vrdgC&pg=PA968&dq=Xmas+usage&ei=zVZWSa6FJY6syASeyKHRAw#v=onepage&q=Xmas%20usage&f=false) is in the dictionary :)   I just wanted to write this here :P
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: WiccanZombie on December 01, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
Just wanted to add my 2 pennies worth.  I still attend family gatherings for holidays I don't celebrate.  Mainly because my family is so scattered that I only get to see them at Christmas etc.  I will say this much, I was asked to say grace exactly once.... after that they magically seem to skip over me when it comes time to bless the meal.  I don't hide my beliefs, nor do I fake belief in things.  This may not work for everyone, but for me in my situation it does. 
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: lilpnkbnny on December 01, 2010, 09:10:04 PM
I looked at my kids this year and said this... "You claim to be atheist, you are Christian but dont even go to church, and you are doing nothing with your life except living the party life of a 20 yr old(which he is), so unless you start a coat drive for the homeless, work at a soup kitchen, or give up all your worldly possessions, don't expect the ridiculous amount I usually spend on Christmas because I sure as hell am not christian and none of you are acting the part either.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Rowan Coronet on December 02, 2010, 05:21:20 AM
Oooo good one LPB!  A tad off topic, but I went to my great uncle's funeral yesterday, it was in a Baptist church. I did recite the 23rd Psalm, and bowed my head and heard the prayers and offered up an "amen" or two. I also asked the Lord and Lady to take his hand and show him the way to the Summerlands, silently, of course. Does this make me Baptist? No. Nor does celebrating any of the so-called Christian holidays make one a Christian.  I will be cooking a feast for Christmas for the family here at our home. To me, as others have said, this is a time to celebrate family. I do have a Christmas tree, I like shiny things :D But I do not consider myself to be a Christian. My BF and I are both Pagan, and still enjoy the outer wrappings of the holidays. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: C_A on December 02, 2010, 07:58:07 AM
I looked at my kids this year and said this... "You claim to be atheist, you are Christian but dont even go to church, and you are doing nothing with your life except living the party life of a 20 yr old(which he is), so unless you start a coat drive for the homeless, work at a soup kitchen, or give up all your worldly possessions, don't expect the ridiculous amount I usually spend on Christmas because I sure as hell am not christian and none of you are acting the part either.

And yea, verily, the multitude of applause smilie thingies assembled before her!
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: C_A on December 02, 2010, 07:58:34 AM
We celebrate Yule.

With...

A SHRUBBERY!
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: MissTree on December 02, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
I looked at my kids this year and said this... "You claim to be atheist, you are Christian but dont even go to church, and you are doing nothing with your life except living the party life of a 20 yr old(which he is), so unless you start a coat drive for the homeless, work at a soup kitchen, or give up all your worldly possessions, don't expect the ridiculous amount I usually spend on Christmas because I sure as hell am not christian and none of you are acting the part either.

Nice! *high five*
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Starrry_Night on December 04, 2010, 10:47:35 AM
My father's side celebrates Christmas b/c they are "Christian" but my mother's side just decorates and gets together. Presents are becoming the main reason why children want to celebrate Christmas. Presents are just possessions that when you die are left here on Mother Earth, not with your spirit. Most Christian holidays nowadays are commercial and have lost their designated meanings. It really shouldn't matter what holiday you celebrate as long as the meaning behind it is YOUR path.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: alyceavary on December 23, 2010, 04:35:02 PM
I've struggled with this too.  My daughter is 5, but I'm a single mom living with my Christian parents.  I feel like I'm still in "the broom closet", b/c they both KNOW I'm Wiccan, but don't understand it & it makes it hard to celebrate any holiday.  But, I want my daughter to learn both traditions & decide for HERSELF which path is right for her.  It's irritating though to hear my mom tell my daughter that "Christmas is Jesus' birthday & he's so nice that he doesn't want presents, but for us to have them".  I'm hoping life will be a little less complicated when the Goddess & God bless me with the finances to have my own home.  Soon, I hope....I'm going crazy here!!  LOL

Blessed Be
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Carbon on December 24, 2010, 03:48:09 PM
I celebrate both Wiccan holidays and Christian holidays.

You can observe a holiday and not practice the religious meanings behind them.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: ejfinch on December 25, 2010, 08:11:43 AM
I celebrate both Wiccan holidays and Christian holidays.

You can observe a holiday and not practice the religious meanings behind them.

Very true. There is no reason that you cannot simply enjoy time with family and friends and good food without acknowledging the religious significance. I've been doing it for years.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: CuriousOne on December 26, 2010, 07:46:32 PM
I'm happy to see that so many feel that celebrating christmas and other holidays doesn't go against their beliefs, no matter what they believe. I want to be able to teach my kids about various religions so that they don't have a one sided opinion as I had growing up. however, i already know that what I teach them will be biased to my own beliefs. I'm seriously considering taking a religion class in an upcoming semester to better acquaint myself with religion.

 I'm always pleased to read that religions are often representations or adaptations of previous thoughts (like Christmas) and I often wonder if a devout Christian knew that christmas and easter were adaptations of a pagan holiday, what would they think?

I remember reading parts of beowolf or the odyssey (I can't remember which- I'll have to look it up) in an early history class and there are several similarities between situations in this story and the bible (like the flood...) Interesting. I hate that i can't recall the specifics. I'll have to find it again. Hmm...
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Wyldkat on December 26, 2010, 07:58:04 PM
Actually the story of the flood is in many different mythologies, not just Christian mythology.

Oh and I actually just wrote an article on this subject if you want to check it out.  Just click the link in my signature and go to the (currently) top article under my bio, "Should pagans celebrate Christmas?"  I talk about my own family and how we balance everything.  :)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: CuriousOne on December 26, 2010, 08:00:59 PM
Actually the story of the flood is in many different mythologies, not just Christian mythology. Oh and I actually just wrote an article on this subject if you want to check it out.  Just click the link in my signature and go to the (currently) top article under my bio, "Should pagans celebrate Christmas?"  I talk about my own family and how we balance everything.  :)

fabulous! off to check it out... ty :)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Kypress on December 26, 2010, 08:26:30 PM
I'm happy to see that so many feel that celebrating christmas and other holidays doesn't go against their beliefs, no matter what they believe. I want to be able to teach my kids about various religions so that they don't have a one sided opinion as I had growing up. however, i already know that what I teach them will be biased to my own beliefs. I'm seriously considering taking a religion class in an upcoming semester to better acquaint myself with religion.

 I'm always pleased to read that religions are often representations or adaptations of previous thoughts (like Christmas) and I often wonder if a devout Christian knew that christmas and easter were adaptations of a pagan holiday, what would they think?

I remember reading parts of beowolf or the odyssey (I can't remember which- I'll have to look it up) in an early history class and there are several similarities between situations in this story and the bible (like the flood...) Interesting. I hate that i can't recall the specifics. I'll have to find it again. Hmm...
I still celebrated the Christian way for a while, but it's sort of been bothering me these past few years.  I've been meaning to bring it up to my minister friends to see how they think about it.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: CuriousOne on December 26, 2010, 08:53:14 PM
I still celebrated the Christian way for a while, but it's sort of been bothering me these past few years.  I've been meaning to bring it up to my minister friends to see how they think about it.

I'm actually very curious about the answer some may give to this question. However, I am not interested in starting a heated debate on something of which I have very little knowledge, so I'll just keep wondering. If you get around the bringing it up, please post. I am so very curious. :)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: edens garden on December 28, 2010, 04:39:23 PM
I went to the late Christmas Eve church service with my MIL (boyfriend didn't go, he was sick, as was his dad) and it was quite beautiful. Other than getting told off by Jesus it was really fun and uplifting. Candlelight service is by far the best time to go to a Christian church.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Starrry_Night on January 10, 2011, 08:53:29 AM
lol yea when i go i tend to look at the decorations than what they are actually telling me
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: edens garden on January 10, 2011, 03:37:49 PM
lol yea when i go i tend to look at the decorations than what they are actually telling me

Try listening next time, it's really interesting to pick out what you agree and disagree with. I have some pretty interesting conversations with the pastor there.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Amythestorm on January 11, 2011, 05:56:30 AM
I went to a catholic graduation ceremony last year for my step daughter. She ws graduating from kindergarten. I sat there and listened to the priest telling them (read brain wash)how they are in capable of accomplishing anything if they don't believe in "God". My husband quietly slipped his arm around my shoulders and patted me lightly asking if I was okay to which I responded "this conversation will continue at home".
And we wonder why kids are the way they are today - low self esteem. Nothing like being told your unable to accomplish anything for yourself!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Starrry_Night on February 06, 2011, 07:38:28 PM
to eden, i use to but they bore me now and i dont agree with what they tell me. i go because it is expected of me to go when im with my family. science disproves some of the religion and the other part of the religion has more in common with many other religions that they call "heathens"
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: strange_seeker on March 17, 2011, 10:46:38 PM
I went to a catholic graduation ceremony last year for my step daughter. She ws graduating from kindergarten. I sat there and listened to the priest telling them (read brain wash)how they are in capable of accomplishing anything if they don't believe in "God". My husband quietly slipped his arm around my shoulders and patted me lightly asking if I was okay to which I responded "this conversation will continue at home".
And we wonder why kids are the way they are today - low self esteem. Nothing like being told your unable to accomplish anything for yourself!!!  >:(

Me and my friends JUST had this conversation the other day... I feel the exact same.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: lilpnkbnny on March 18, 2011, 08:12:52 AM
I really dread the baccalaureate ceremony for my daughters graduation. One of these days that Baptist preacher is going to make me lose it on him. After what he said at my sons baccalaureate, then at my nephews funeral..... I'll probably have smoke coming out of my ears



ETA...... Because I couldn't have screwed that one up any worse. No, I'm not drinking. LMAO
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Em.O on November 15, 2011, 08:55:27 PM
I know I'm a little young to be thinking about raising children and such but well, I have thought about it haha. I always figured I would do Christmas more for the family because, well, it's a time for family to get together and give presents and gain a bit of weight and whatnot, and I mean, I'm not Christian but Jesus was still a pretty cool guy regardless of what labels are associate with him. So I guess I would explain it to them and everything, and I guess I would kind of combine Christmas and Yule together because, well, who doesn't like decorating trees and getting presents? To be honest, I even like setting up the nativity scene. That's always has been and still is my "job" at Christmas so I feel kind of responsible for it haha. I think I would probably be one of those parents who explains all the different beliefs and customs of so many different cultures (well, the ones I actually know anyway) and maybe try to incorporate them in some small way together, especially since, as we were learning in art class, almost every culture has some "festival of lights" as my teacher calls it, around that time of year. Some of them I'd never even heard of but they had such pretty decorations and interesting customs, I wouldn't mind doing that.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: soulfire on November 16, 2011, 09:11:37 AM
Look up "the Secret Teachings of All Ages" by Manly p. Hall.  Also the origins of the decorations and even the creche.  Christmas is not about the birth of the Son, it is about the birth of the Sun.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: gingerberrycc on November 21, 2011, 02:36:25 PM
With the "holidays" coming up, I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I usually celebrate Yule at home by myself (maybe my boyfriend will come over to exchange a gift or share some cookies) and then celebrate "Christmas" with my family in a secular way (except for bowing my head when my uncle says grace).

I don't mind doing things this way. Actually, I like celebrating Yule by myself in a quiet, intimate setting with God and Goddess and then a few days later I get to feel the spirit of the holiday with my family. It allows me to reflect on my personal life first, and then on my relationships/family.

I would like to add another question (which you can feel free to move to a different spot if it makes more sense to go there). I've been thinking a lot about the phrase that seems to get a few Christians riled up: "Happy Holidays!" What are your thoughts on being wished a hearty "Merry CHRISTmas"?
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: soulfire on November 22, 2011, 01:09:24 PM
I don't sweat it, but then I see christ as yet another horus, mithras, dionisus, krishna, etc.  It's the same story, who is in the manger doesn't matter if YOU understand what it means.  What gets me is the whole US against THEM mentality which goes counter to the messages of both (or many) religions.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Betsy on November 30, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
My husband and I take the position that regardless of your belief, the things Jesus taught are still good general behavior guidelines. So, while we don't teach our daughter that if she doesn't follow specific rules she's going to burn in hell for all eternity, we do try to teach her to love her neighbor and care for others etc. So at our house the christmas tree and family celebrations are used to emphasize the "spirit" of christmas and the joys of giving and love of family.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: C_A on December 01, 2011, 10:50:41 AM
I don't sweat it, but then I see christ as yet another horus, mithras, dionisus, krishna, etc.  It's the same story, who is in the manger doesn't matter if YOU understand what it means.  What gets me is the whole US against THEM mentality which goes counter to the messages of both (or many) religions.

This, this, THIS, +100.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: C_A on December 01, 2011, 10:51:22 AM
Look up "the Secret Teachings of All Ages" by Manly p. Hall.  Also the origins of the decorations and even the creche.  Christmas is not about the birth of the Son, it is about the birth of the Sun.

Good stuff, here...
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Firesong on December 01, 2011, 12:18:26 PM
My husband and I take the position that regardless of your belief, the things Jesus taught are still good general behavior guidelines. So, while we don't teach our daughter that if she doesn't follow specific rules she's going to burn in hell for all eternity, we do try to teach her to love her neighbor and care for others etc. So at our house the christmas tree and family celebrations are used to emphasize the "spirit" of christmas and the joys of giving and love of family.

Beautifully put... that is, after all, what being a Christian is all about; nothing more and nothing less.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: gingerberrycc on December 12, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
I understand what everyone has said about Christmas being about the concepts and ideas behind the holiday, not necessarily Christianity itself, but I feel I need to clarify my question. I'm not talking about being wished a "Merry Christmas" from people who realize that we might celebrate in different ways, I'm talking about the people who vehemently refuse to use the "politically correct" phrase "Happy Holidays" instead, and proclaim that they are putting Christ back in Christmas. Sometimes I just want to wish these people a "Happy Solstice!"

It's not the fact that these people wish me a Merry Christmas, it's the fact that they refuse to show tolerance for the beliefs of others. I see words as having power, and the intent behind those words having much greater power. So when the intent behind the words (shown through their previous interactions with me) is for me to have a merry Christian Christmas and accept Jesus as my savior, I feel obligated to show the other point of view to them through my words (Happy Holidays!)

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rant! ;)
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Scorched Eartha on December 12, 2011, 11:41:09 AM
I understand what everyone has said about Christmas being about the concepts and ideas behind the holiday, not necessarily Christianity itself, but I feel I need to clarify my question. I'm not talking about being wished a "Merry Christmas" from people who realize that we might celebrate in different ways, I'm talking about the people who vehemently refuse to use the "politically correct" phrase "Happy Holidays" instead, and proclaim that they are putting Christ back in Christmas. Sometimes I just want to wish these people a "Happy Solstice!"

It's not the fact that these people wish me a Merry Christmas, it's the fact that they refuse to show tolerance for the beliefs of others. I see words as having power, and the intent behind those words having much greater power. So when the intent behind the words (shown through their previous interactions with me) is for me to have a merry Christian Christmas and accept Jesus as my savior, I feel obligated to show the other point of view to them through my words (Happy Holidays!)

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rant! ;)


"Happy Holidays" is never used here. (Australia) Everyone says "Merry Christmas". It's actually quite a godless country, where fewer than one in 5 people regularly attend any form of formal worship. I'm not sure that any but the dedicated church goers ever give any thought at all to any religious significance the date might have. They're too busy cleaning out the beer fridge and ordering the prawns in. But we get three paid public Holidays over Christmas and as most of the country shuts down between 24th December and 2nd January, it's mid summer and we have the largest unbroken coastline on earth upon which to fling ourselves, we're all in a holiday mood. On Boxing day they'll begin yelling "Happy New Year" to randoms they pass. It's just the Silly Season.

I do tell people "Happy Solstice" in response to their "Merry Christmas." It's elicited a few funny looks and a couple of requests to know what the feck I'm on about, but no worse reactions than that.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: KissTheMiMes on December 12, 2011, 06:28:01 PM

"Happy Holidays" is never used here. (Australia) Everyone says "Merry Christmas". It's actually quite a godless country, where fewer than one in 5 people regularly attend any form of formal worship. I'm not sure that any but the dedicated church goers ever give any thought at all to any religious significance the date might have. They're too busy cleaning out the beer fridge and ordering the prawns in. But we get three paid public Holidays over Christmas and as most of the country shuts down between 24th December and 2nd January, it's mid summer and we have the largest unbroken coastline on earth upon which to fling ourselves, we're all in a holiday mood. On Boxing day they'll begin yelling "Happy New Year" to randoms they pass. It's just the Silly Season.

I do tell people "Happy Solstice" in response to their "Merry Christmas." It's elicited a few funny looks and a couple of requests to know what the feck I'm on about, but no worse reactions than that.

Why is this!? Because, IMO, in the states not believing in the Christian God or having No Religion would be UNEXCEPTABLE! Lol! I think everyone would go crazy.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Scorched Eartha on December 12, 2011, 06:52:46 PM
Why is this!? Because, IMO, in the states not believing in the Christian God or having No Religion would be UNEXCEPTABLE! Lol! I think everyone would go crazy.

Maybe because we just don't get so bent out of shape by petty doctrinal semantic shyte as Americans seem to. No one is overly concerned with it being a Christian holiday here...so why the hell get offended by what they call it.

I cannot feel oppressed and dictated to by what amounts to less than 20% of the population who practice some kind of a Christian faith. If they call it Christmas and pay me to have the days off...hell...I'll call it Pumpkin Patch Day if they ask me to. As I said I'll often say Happy Yule or Have a great Solstice...and no one is much put out by it. It's not an issue here.

It's just another Holiday weekend to most of us. At Easter/Samhain we get 5 paid days off. Fri/Sat/sun/Mon/Tues.

That too is just another excuse for a long national pissup to most people. Honestly. I've known Australians who thought you ate Fish on Good Friday because fish tastes bloody good on a bbq and its a long weekend so you can drink more beer as you've longer to recobver from the hangover. It's what we all eat every long weekend. It's Australia. We go to a bbq with beer and fish. religious holidays. Australia Day. ANZAC Day.New Years eve....It's what we do. Beer and bbq'ed fish taste bloody excellent. Who needs a religious reason to consume it, right?

OK so it's not much of an excuse for a cultural pursuit...but it's all we've got (oh that and a lack of the some of the nastier social tensions you seem to have there.) It's all pretty relaxed here really about stuff like that.

Maybe it's the space. I dunno. But I can see it's a pleasant atmosphere in comparison to a lot of places for lack of religious extremism...on the part of any faith really.  We laugh at YEC's openly for a start. It's a joke theory here. It's a joke theory period obviously,  but we can say so here without them crying about how they feel persecuted.

I say Eid Mubarrak to my Muslim friends too...I don't know any Jews but if I did I'd wish em Happy Hanukkah. But what we mostly say is "Want to come to the beach?" quite frankly. and "How hot is it going to be today?"

lol










Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: dark magus on December 12, 2011, 10:12:51 PM
Besides, it's damn hard to get happy about snow and fat men in red suits when it's 68 degree F. and humidity of 58%.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: gingerberrycc on December 13, 2011, 07:58:38 AM
LOL tell me about it. I live in TEXAS (hence the rant about "CHRISTmas")! But I do seem to be more in the spirit this year than I have been in a long time.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: C_A on December 14, 2011, 09:17:06 AM
LOL tell me about it. I live in TEXAS (hence the rant about "CHRISTmas")! But I do seem to be more in the spirit this year than I have been in a long time.

Well....I live in Maine.  One of the most attractive things about "up heah" is the level of tolerance.  People use "Happy Holidays" not because of some "P.C." issue, but more as a way of saying: "you celebrate yours and I celebrate mine" type of ethos. 

Moreso...I'm not even sure if it's "tolerance", per se....more like a commitment to a life of leave alone / be left alone...
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Scorched Eartha on December 14, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
I've just been listening to the News on ABC Public Radio and they tell me that the most complained about public religious issue in 2011 in Australia was a Billboard campaign, run by the Australian Islamic Council. There were a series of 10 Billboards placed around Sydney and its suburbs. They proclaimed JESUS: A Great Prophet of Islam.

There were 58 complaints lodged in reference to it.

There are 20,000,000 people in Australia. Just over 4 million of them live in Sydney, the city where the series of billboards appeared.

That's not a lot of people looking to get offended by someone else's faith, is it? See...Spiritually speaking, we just want to chillax, most of us. They don't call it "The land of the long weekend" for nothing, you know.

 ;D
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: dark magus on December 14, 2011, 04:33:36 PM
But the Billboards are correct.
The Qur' an refers to Jesus and the Arch Angles by name. As Islam is a faith of Abraham, Jesus is seen as a prophet, just not some almighty savour. Even Muhammed (PBUH) is seen as a prophet and not a saviour.

By and large, they worship the same god as Christians. The difference they have again deals with the concept of Christ and the masiya.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: Scorched Eartha on December 14, 2011, 11:25:46 PM
But the Billboards are correct.
The Qur' an refers to Jesus and the Arch Angles by name. As Islam is a faith of Abraham, Jesus is seen as a prophet, just not some almighty savour. Even Muhammed (PBUH) is seen as a prophet and not a saviour.

By and large, they worship the same god as Christians. The difference they have again deals with the concept of Christ and the masiya.

I know that. You know that. They know that.

It's only the Christians who don't know that. And here apparently...only 58 of them don't know it enough to pick up a phone and complain. lol.

But, unfairly in the extreme I think, a few years ago an atheist Billboard and bus ad campaign was banned.

All it said was
Do something useful...Sleep in on Sunday Mornings.
Australian Atheists Foundation.
and it had a piccy of Charles Darwin napping in a chair on it.

They were outraged. And the complaints were upheld and the ads taken down. Now explain that to me?
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: dark magus on December 15, 2011, 12:21:14 AM
Insecurity?
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: oldghost on December 15, 2011, 12:28:25 AM
The churches of the world especially the catholic church have all the money to put their people into powerful government postions that's how they keep control ,at least there are some people trying slowly to educate people to the truth of what is going on. I hope I live long enough to see some major enlightenment come upon the people of this world.
Title: Re: Celebrating Christian Holidays
Post by: C_A on December 18, 2011, 11:42:19 AM
But the Billboards are correct.
The Qur' an refers to Jesus and the Arch Angles by name. As Islam is a faith of Abraham, Jesus is seen as a prophet, just not some almighty savour. Even Muhammed (PBUH) is seen as a prophet and not a saviour.

By and large, they worship the same god as Christians. The difference they have again deals with the concept of Christ and the masiya.

Where is Mal...erm...Passer Urbanus...when we need him?

Anyhow, similar billboards have been spotted in various areas of the U.S.  Both Islamist and Atheist.  Numerically, however, I think they've come in far behind the "Keep Christ in Christmas" and the "I'm gonna get you, sucka" campaigns...You've seen them...the ones that say things like "Keep taking my name in vain and I'll make rush hour longer!"

Insecurity?  i don't think so.  I think it's more a slant on "The Great Commission".