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Title: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: An tAthair on August 08, 2010, 05:58:59 AM
One of the critical facets of a shamanic type pathwalk is the constant presence of death. We see it's skeletal hand upon so many things as lives are brough to an end and thier spirits approach the viel. Many times our deaths the first step upon our pathway and the first of many lessons of facing our fears. Saddly, also realizing that crossing the viel does not mean reincarnation is our next step in the process. Occasionally seeing the final demise of a spirits energy as it is destroyed though many would like to believe otherwise.

Yet it seem's many times those in the Pagan pathways do not trully face death. Oh yes, they collectively realize the physical body shall cease to function at some point but that is it. The though and action of approaching the viel between the living and the death seem's to be avoided in the belief they shall re-incarnate into another life cycle.

Yet if I listen to my guides that is not a given.

The way we approach death is as important to our development as the way we approach life. For to know death is to know life, of course to trully know life one must also know death. There-in lays the paradox for it seems that those that cling to life's glamories fail to recognize the depts of death. In some ways failing to realize the true beauty of life and living and the joy to be found in the pain of life.

Though I suppose to face the prospect of death one must also face the realility of thier own beliefs. When the gateway lies before our eyes and the lights flash to reveal the spirits of the departed before us do we realize what is there?

It is strange to me the way I see people rush so headstrongly away from death and its touch. Rush away to avoid but so many times rushing into its grasp that much faster as they try to avoid it. Then there are other's that live thier lives for death has already touched them and they know there is no need to flee for his hand was born into us at birth. To try and flee is futile for it has been walking with us and part of us from the first breath we took in.

Now some may say I am being morbid lately but it is part of the Shamanic Pathway. A part that places us often alone and upon the fringes of society. A place we survive in and live in, a place where death is a constant companion and we must sit and speak to him. A place where we are taken upon his cloak and carried to the very edge of the barrier to face our deepest fears. A place where we are born in the grasp of deaths hand.

So, Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Wyldkat on August 08, 2010, 10:57:26 AM
This is one thing that astounds me about current culture.  Death is hidden away.  More often than not our learned elders are hidden away at the end of their lives.  Death in the family home is not the norm anymore.  Parents even buy replacement pets before their kids realize their beloved goldfish has passed.

On the flip side the same has happened to birth.  How many children have seen ANYTHING born with their own eyes?  How many have held a puppy while it is still damp and sticky?  How many have seen their baby siblings within an hour or so of birth?  How many babies are born in the family home?

We have totally lost the commonplace everyday aspect of the life cycle.  People even choose to not tell their children than the yummy stuff on their plate comes from an animal.  I'm pretty certain most children growing up today will never kill, skin, cook and eat anything except possibly doing something vaguely related in biology class in high school.

People try to sanitize birth and death.  They aren't sanitary things.  They are often ugly, bloody, messy and emotionally draining.  They are vital life processes. How are children supposed to grow up emotionally and spiritually rounded if they are cut off from the two most important times in life?  What is a story with no beginning or ending?

Death is an important part of walking a shamanic path.  There is the symbolic death you go through generally early-ish on your path and more importantly, but very often forgotten now a days is the fact that a near death experience used to be a very important factor in starting the path.  I had a vaguely near death experience and that is part of what started me on the shamanic path.  There is power in death.  To be able to work with the other aspects of life, birth, illness, emotional pain, joy, you must also understand death.

The symbolic death is a tearing down of who you are so you can truly see yourself in total detail and then give yourself up to be remade.  It is a powerful and incredibly life changing experience.  It's also not for the faint hearted.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Xicked on August 08, 2010, 11:17:50 PM
I've tried to face some of my feelings about death.  I'm not afraid of dying, and I don't believe in reincarnation.  I used to think that if I knew that I was about to die, I could be OK with it and accept the inevitable.  So I went skydiving to test it out (among other reasons).  When my brain turned itself back on after the freefall, I realized that I would most certainly NOT be 'OK' with knowing that my parachute was failing and I would be slammed into the ground within minutes.  I'm still not afraid to die, but I definitely know that I'm not ready to die anytime soon.  I sometimes have a hard time accepting that in one moment I exist, and an instant later, I won't.  I would LIKE to believe that my spirit will do something other than dissolve into chaos. 
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Arnemetia on August 09, 2010, 11:58:28 AM
I see death as a part of life.  I have felt the life slipping from me, as I gave life to another.  I held the hand of my Father, Mother and Brother as the light left their eyes.  They weren't afraid, neither was I.  My belief is, yes the body will no longer function but the soul, spirit, energy will continue on.  I also believe when we make a drastic change in ourself, that part of us dies, whether it be a behavior change or a change of beliefs.  We are then "reborn" into that change we have made.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 09, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
One of the critical facets of a shamanic type pathwalk is the constant presence of death. We see it's skeletal hand upon so many things as lives are brough to an end and thier spirits approach the viel. Many times our deaths the first step upon our pathway and the first of many lessons of facing our fears. Saddly, also realizing that crossing the viel does not mean reincarnation is our next step in the process. Occasionally seeing the final demise of a spirits energy as it is destroyed though many would like to believe otherwise.

Yet it seem's many times those in the Pagan pathways do not trully face death. Oh yes, they collectively realize the physical body shall cease to function at some point but that is it. The though and action of approaching the viel between the living and the death seem's to be avoided in the belief they shall re-incarnate into another life cycle.

Yet if I listen to my guides that is not a given.

The way we approach death is as important to our development as the way we approach life. For to know death is to know life, of course to trully know life one must also know death. There-in lays the paradox for it seems that those that cling to life's glamories fail to recognize the depts of death. In some ways failing to realize the true beauty of life and living and the joy to be found in the pain of life.

Though I suppose to face the prospect of death one must also face the realility of thier own beliefs. When the gateway lies before our eyes and the lights flash to reveal the spirits of the departed before us do we realize what is there?

It is strange to me the way I see people rush so headstrongly away from death and its touch. Rush away to avoid but so many times rushing into its grasp that much faster as they try to avoid it. Then there are other's that live thier lives for death has already touched them and they know there is no need to flee for his hand was born into us at birth. To try and flee is futile for it has been walking with us and part of us from the first breath we took in.

Now some may say I am being morbid lately but it is part of the Shamanic Pathway. A part that places us often alone and upon the fringes of society. A place we survive in and live in, a place where death is a constant companion and we must sit and speak to him. A place where we are taken upon his cloak and carried to the very edge of the barrier to face our deepest fears. A place where we are born in the grasp of deaths hand.

So, Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?

"pathwalk"?

Also, full marks for emo.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: An tAthair on August 09, 2010, 12:47:19 PM
Emo? I am unfamiliar with this particular magickal term.

But thank you for the compliment.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 09, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
Emo? I am unfamiliar with this particular magickal term.

But thank you for the compliment.

Emo = obsessed with angst and darkness.  Google "My Chemical Romance".

Everyone dies1.  It's a fact.  There's no point obsessing about it, or even thinking about it, beyond taking responsible steps to look after those you leave behind (writing a will, etc).

Point is, try focusing on what you do and who you are while you're here.  Death will still be around when you're done.  No hurry.


1 Except, apparently, for Keith Richards.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: An tAthair on August 09, 2010, 01:02:24 PM
Then I shall endeavour to discover what exactly Keith Richards has snorted.

And then I too shall be immortal.





P.S. Do you think I could ascertain this compound by taking some kind of core sample of the strata that no doubt coats his nasal cavity?
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 09, 2010, 01:05:49 PM
Then I shall endeavour to discover what exactly Keith Richards has snorted.

And then I too shall be immortal.





P.S. Do you think I could ascertain this compound by taking some kind of core sample of the strata that no doubt coats his nasal cavity?

All I know is that when he finally kicks the bucket, I'm grinding him up and smoking him.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Firesong on August 09, 2010, 01:06:05 PM
Emo = obsessed with angst and darkness.  Google "My Chemical Romance".

Everyone dies1.  It's a fact.  There's no point obsessing about it, or even thinking about it, beyond taking responsible steps to look after those you leave behind (writing a will, etc).

Point is, try focusing on what you do and who you are while you're here.  Death will still be around when you're done.  No hurry.


1 Except, apparently, for Keith Richards.

Great advice.  I think far too many people, especially as they get older, tend to spend too much time thinking about, beyond the "responsible steps to look after those you leave behind".  It might be that for much of your life, "death" is a fairly abstract term, and only when you reach the upper end do you realistically see it as a finite value.  

When you're sixty years old, depending on your health, and barring accidents, it's a reasonable guess that you have between 0-40 years left to live; I don't think we really see it that way when we're younger... I know I never did.  As far as I'm concerned, death is just a natural part of life, so why get hung up about it.  

I think maybe Keith Richards is an alien...
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Hjolmaer on August 09, 2010, 05:29:56 PM
I think maybe Keith Richards is an alien...

1 Except, apparently, for Keith Richards.

No, Keith Richards is actually undead.  A kind of chemical-induced lichdom.  See, he actually died years ago, but was so stoned that he didn't realize it.

All I know is that when he finally kicks the bucket, I'm grinding him up and smoking him.

You bring the pipe, I'll bring the mortar and pestle.

To be meaningfully participatory in the thread, I offer up this:

Do I face death?  Of course.  It's an aspect of life.

But why should I care?

Seriously.  The day I die, will be the day I die.  Will I go to Summerland and reflect on my previous life before choosing a new incarnation?  Will I go to Heaven and enjoy the carnal and lusty pleasures of a thousand and one virgins?  Will I go to hell and be one of the thousand and one virgins (biblical sense)?  Will I just sit in the ground and rot?

Not my problem.  Cause when I die, everything suddenly stops being my problem.  Beyond that, I'll worry about it when I get there.

In the meantime, I've got living to do.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Keysol on August 09, 2010, 11:06:42 PM
I believe that when my time has come, I will exist in a sort of limbo...living a life that was slightly different from what my life really was, a parallel path if you will. All the people that mattered to me would still be in this life...though they may exist in different relationships.

It will be during this time that I will come to terms with my life...and my death. I will make amends with the choices I made and the people I loved. This will all happen while I exist in this limbo, not truly understanding until the very end that I have indeed died and it is time to move on.

Oh wait.

That was the ending of Lost.

That's not what I believe. Duh.

My "path" (kinda starting to hate that term) doesn't spend a lot of time dwelling in death.

That's about all the 'facing of death' I need to do. Honestly, I'm not really thrilled about it, but I'm not going to dwell on something that I have no control over. It's a waste of energy...and would be a hypocritical waste of time.

So I know it will happen. I accept it and I am at peace with the fact that it will happen whether I am ready for it or not, like it or not. In the meantime, I have more important things to do then ponder the aspects of death.

Like watch the whole last season of 24. I'm still catching up to stuff on my Tivo (just finished watching Lost) because I've spent the last 3 months working 80hrs a week.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Black Hat Guy on August 10, 2010, 02:27:31 AM
You're going to be disappointed.  A few episodes aside, 24 jumped the shark in Season Three and never got back on track.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Keysol on August 10, 2010, 11:53:19 AM
You're going to be disappointed.  A few episodes aside, 24 jumped the shark in Season Three and never got back on track.

Thanks for the heads-up. I guess my Saturday will be better spent shopping. :)
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: SuperFrank on August 13, 2010, 12:53:05 PM
Naw, I don't fear nor smurf wit death. I have had some weird dreams, though.



Edited for language.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Midwitch on August 14, 2010, 02:19:57 AM
I face death on an almost daily basis, from the POV that being a midwife, life and death are very closely entwined. I dont fear death but I do hate the suffering and pain that those left behind feel. In the history of mankind midwives have traditionally dealt with the new and the dying, and even sitting vigil with the dead. So yes, I guess I am very comfortable around death.

I dont fear my own death as I have seen it and accepted it many years ago.

I find that those passing over dont seem to fear it either, the peace in their eyes is evidence of this - but I can only speak for those I have had the privilige of being with at this time. I dont dread that job, but I dont enjoy the pain in the hearts and faces of those left behind.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Black Hat Guy on August 15, 2010, 05:28:47 AM
I face death on an almost daily basis, from the POV that being a midwife, life and death are very closely entwined.

Sorry, but based on that, watching the evening news could be construed as "facing death".

I would only consider a situation in which you yourself could actually die, quite easily (ie not based on ridiculously implausible scenarios which could theoretically happen to a very unlucky person), to be "facing death".
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: An tAthair on August 15, 2010, 05:33:56 AM
But she is facing the possibility of  other people's death.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Wyldkat on August 15, 2010, 02:08:22 PM
But she is facing the possibility of  other people's death.

Which is actually more going face to face with death than dying yourself unless you have a mirror...  ;)
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Midwitch on August 18, 2010, 02:47:41 AM
Sorry, but based on that, watching the evening news could be construed as "facing death".

I would only consider a situation in which you yourself could actually die, quite easily (ie not based on ridiculously implausible scenarios which could theoretically happen to a very unlucky person), to be "facing death".

Well if you havent helped birth babies you probably dont get it. But birth is very much life and death. I've assisted with stillbirths, with babies who have died during labour, and with babies who have died after birth. I've personally resuscitated more babies than most people have had hot dinners (well almost).

I've cared for two mothers who died during or soon after birth, and I've assisted with the resus of several who tried to die.



Yesterday I midwifed for a beautiful baby who came out peacefully, breathed, looked around, sighed and stopped breathing. I told the mother to gently stroke him and talk to him, and I positioned his head to open his airway. With some stimulation he started to breathe again and opened his eyes and looked around, gave some gentle cries, and again stopped breathing. While calling for emergency help, I took the baby and started resus. His heart had all but stopped. He responded to my efforts, but wouldnt maintain heartrate or breathing without direct stimulation. He underwent major cardiac surgery this morning and the prognosis is good.


Several months ago a sweet wee soul died on her journey to the world, much to everyone's shock (there was NO warning signs). For 20 minutes the paed and I worked on that baby till the crash team got to us. Then I sat with the grieving mother as she howled her anguish, and periodically asked me to check the baby's heartbeat just in case. She simply couldnt accept that her perfect baby was gone. Then I bathed her daughter, did the medical things that needed doing, then dressed her in a beautiful hand smocked linen gown and took photos of her. I placed a rose in her hand, kissed her and handed her back to her mother.

I cannot even count how many grieving families I have cared for.
So let me repeat, I face death on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: megadeck on August 18, 2010, 03:34:50 AM
I believe that Death is symbolized by Pluto in an astrological manner, it's just there ever so slow but always present,
and us unaware of the time it has completed its round around the sun where life comes from :)
I don't know when death will come.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Wyldkat on August 18, 2010, 11:54:00 AM

I cannot even count how many grieving families I have cared for.
So let me repeat, I face death on a daily basis.

I was considering becoming a doula.  This is what stopped me.  I don't know if I am strong enough to help people through this type of grief.  The grief of the beloved elders passing, yes, but the new ones?  Just the thought of it makes me tear up.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: blue on August 19, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
 Quote:

So, Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?

 Blue:

 I tend to be expedient.

 I have absolutely no idea what may or may not happen when i die. To me: Such things are simply unknowable so i don't concern myself with them.

 There is an awareness that there are a finite number of days in a life. Death can come at any time and i wouldn't have it any other way.

 See ... it's death that gives life meaning.

 It's a gentle reminder to live every day to the fullest. (as if it were my last )

Quote:

 Now some may say I am being morbid lately but it is part of the Shamanic Pathway.

Blue:

< playfully >  Hell yes you're being morbid !

 Go out and engage life. Love without limit. Relish the beauty and the pain and everything life has to offer.

 And when your time comes ....

 Jump boldly into the abyss without a single regret.  :)
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Midwitch on August 20, 2010, 04:06:06 AM
I was considering becoming a doula.  This is what stopped me.  I don't know if I am strong enough to help people through this type of grief.  The grief of the beloved elders passing, yes, but the new ones?  Just the thought of it makes me tear up.

It's a fantastic job. Sadly, life and death are closely intertwined in this job, but death occurs far less often than new life. The joy outweighs the sadness.

Because I lost a baby to stillbirth and had wonderful compassionate care from two sweet midwives, I rather enjoy caring for other women with losses. I like to pass on some of the compassion and kindness I was gifted. And to treat their precious babies with the gentleness and respect they deserve. I believe in the dignity of death, therefore I handle these wee ones very carefully. Sometimes things have to be done that are unpleasant, but I reassure the parents I will be kind and respectful. I talk to the little one while I do the procedures and I handle them carefully, then dress and display them tastefully.

It may sound weird that I enjoy it, but I do. But then death and assisting the dying is very much part of my calling.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: peace on August 21, 2010, 12:58:39 AM
Now some may say I am being morbid lately but it is part of the Shamanic Pathway. A part that places us often alone and upon the fringes of society. A place we survive in and live in, a place where death is a constant companion and we must sit and speak to him. A place where we are taken upon his cloak and carried to the very edge of the barrier to face our deepest fears. A place where we are born in the grasp of deaths hand.

So, Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?

Ok I don't usely reply to these threads but I have a question. So here it is...

How do you know death is a him?

And the answer to that question at the end of your thread is, yes. I raise my fist to death!!!! HHHHISSSS at death!!!
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: aedh on August 21, 2010, 01:00:34 AM
oh shtop it.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: peace on August 21, 2010, 11:14:20 AM
What about Marena, Velu mate, Tapairu, Giltine, and my personal all time favorite - Umm s-Subyan.
And then there was.........these ones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Death_goddesses

but who's counting?? haha.

but then again.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcjZtsFU5Z4&feature=related
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Black Hat Guy on August 25, 2010, 04:01:18 PM
Well if you havent helped birth babies you probably dont get it. But birth is very much life and death. I've assisted with stillbirths, with babies who have died during labour, and with babies who have died after birth. I've personally resuscitated more babies than most people have had hot dinners (well almost).

I've cared for two mothers who died during or soon after birth, and I've assisted with the resus of several who tried to die.

Again, that has nothing to do with you personally facing the possibility of your own death.  No doubt somewhat traumatic and upsetting, but then, so are many things.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Tiki on August 25, 2010, 04:28:27 PM
I have lost many loved ones to death, but I agree; that is very different from experiencing your own mortality. I've touched death, I've lost brothers and friends, but when I nearly bled to death a few years ago, that was a completely different experience. Nearly being abruptly killed has happened a few times, as well, but even those near-misses are not quite the same.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: aedh on August 25, 2010, 04:39:37 PM
I've had a few moments of "oh shit" in my life. Moments where there was a good chance I should have died. Yay me.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Tiki on August 25, 2010, 05:48:55 PM
I'm especially good at nearly getting killed outright, but not. Hit by cars, etc.

My only really scary times were hemorrhaging, though. There's something about massive bleeding that you can't stop that really puts things in a different light, LOL!
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: aedh on August 25, 2010, 05:51:50 PM
I'm especially good at nearly getting killed outright, but not. Hit by cars, etc.

My only really scary times were hemorrhaging, though. There's something about massive bleeding that you can't stop that really puts things in a different light, LOL!

I once dropped a throwing knife on my leg. Bled for about 4 hours before it stopped. Why didn't I go to the hospital? I was hungover, and it was venous bleeding.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Midwitch on August 25, 2010, 09:34:07 PM
Again, that has nothing to do with you personally facing the possibility of your own death.  No doubt somewhat traumatic and upsetting, but then, so are many things.

No problem.

Yes I have had my heart stop on two occasions and was defibrillated back to life both times. I have since made it clear to my family that next time my heart stops it STAYS stopped. I prefer non-resus status for myself.

I have also had a couple of near misses with bleeding due to a bleeding disorder and once with Meningitis when my family were told I had an hour to live but the antibiotics did their job and I pulled through.

According to the doctor I do white water kayaking with (who argues black and blue that defibbing is a GOOD thing), we face death every time I navigate. He prefers the chicken run and speed, I prefer the excitement of chancing the harder route and maybe drowning. Its all good fun.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Toby Sparkle on December 19, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
When I was 14, I had meningococcal meningitus, and was in a coma for 10 days. I don't remember even falling ill, but for a week, I was hooked up to breathing machines, and could have died at any time. I do, however remember being aware at times that I was in the coma. There is no colour there, everyting is grey. I was dimly aware that there was another world, as if it was through opaque glass. Sometimes, I wasn't alone in there but I never saw anyone just sensed them. They were there to collect me, if I were to reach a point where I would consider taking a choice. I was aware of there being a choice, but there was no urgency to make it. I wasn't even aware what the choice was (but I am now) The place was grey, and there were no physical features. I had no body, but there wasn't any feeling of strangeness. The texture of the place was kind of greasy, like electrically charged, thicker than air, and if I had had any physical form, my hair would have been statically charged. The grey nothing had what felt like folds and corners too, although there was nothing to actually see or touch. The grey seemed to be an awareness, rather than a nothingness. There was always a sense of waiting, like an empty station. And then I was awake, and in hospital. I felt very old. I was weak, but recovered enough to return home in 4 days. I was left with only one complication. Before I was ill, I was right handed, and after I recovered I was left handed. I haven't been ill since. My dreams are now vivid and cinematic. I am often lucid during them, and at these times I am aware of the grey's presence, although not all enveloping me like before, just that  I know it is there.
Still it is waiting, but patient. Not in any hurry.  I am also aware that it is very close at all times, just a heartbeat away, in fact. But this isn't anything to cause concern, it's just that I familiarised myself with it, in my coma. You all are probably aware of it as well, but not having had it wrap you up, don't know what it is, just a vagueness. When you do see it, it will be familiar to you as well. So that is my relationship with death. A little more intimate than most people's, I suspect,  but I can live with that. It's not hostile, or longing to claim me, or anything, it's just there, on the boundary. Always peripheral. OK, Thanks, I be back.
 
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Firesong on January 11, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
Seven years ago, I had my heart cut out... (for repairs).
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Amber6 on February 17, 2011, 09:45:36 AM
I'm terrified of death, but not my own.  I'm afraid of losing someone I love.  To be honest.  If there was one thing I wished it would be to not feel so much fear.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Rovay on March 13, 2011, 04:57:24 AM
I do not fear the death - I fear close-to-death experiences. Getting beaten up, for example. I have not faced death in the astral realm yet, because I am still not ready to venture in then - but I have no doubt I sooner or later will have to, if I am to become the shaman I dream to be. I just hope I won't the death-leading experience there won't raise up the same emotions as in real life.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Wyldkat on March 13, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
I do not fear the death - I fear close-to-death experiences. Getting beaten up, for example. I have not faced death in the astral realm yet, because I am still not ready to venture in then - but I have no doubt I sooner or later will have to, if I am to become the shaman I dream to be. I just hope I won't the death-leading experience there won't raise up the same emotions as in real life.

... Well it really depends on the person.  This is a subject you might want to start a thread on if we don't already have one.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Nixie on May 30, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
I personally am not afraid of dying, I already have once.

In 2009 I had an operation a simple operation, nothing life threatening at all, but my blood pressure plummeted so fast I crashed. It took the doctors almost 2 minutes to revive me.
Six years earlier I caught a virus and my immune system began killing healthy cells instead, putting it simply I was very ill. When I was in hospital I began making plans for what I wanted to happen to me after I died. (I was in agony at this point, death would have been a relief from the pain). I discussed it all with my parents.

I don't know exactly what happened after I died, but I remember hearing a voice telling me it was alright and I would be guided to where I needed to be. The next thing I knew I was in recovery hooked up to a million machines and had a brain splitting headache.

Funnily I am more scared of my parents and boyfriends death than I am of my own.
Title: Re: Do you trully face death on your pathwalk?
Post by: Skyrocks93 on August 11, 2011, 07:21:52 PM
I was born with a heart defect and had open heart surgery soon after I was born so I have died once but I don't remember it so I guess I couldn't have learned anything from it. I don't think about death that often except when someone I know dies.