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Title: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Wyldkat on December 06, 2010, 04:21:08 PM
Faith.

Pretty much everything is based on faith in something.  Faith in a higher power, faith in the power of the earth or even faith that there is no higher power.

The other basic building block is communication.  The majority of paths believe that we can talk to and work with whatever higher power is out there.

Then there is community.  Most paths are centered around some sort of community, even monks who have a vow of silence still live in a group of like minded people.  We constantly get new people here looking for a community.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Snake-Man on December 06, 2010, 05:01:25 PM
Even Atheism can be considered a faith.  Faith in logic, and rational thinking.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: sol on December 06, 2010, 10:53:54 PM
Maybe Love as well? All religions speak of giving love and showing kindness to others.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: KissTheMiMes on December 07, 2010, 09:11:33 AM
Personal experience.

Personal experience helps to build on faith, in my opinion. A personal experience with ones religion will strengthen their faith and bring them closer to the religion as well!
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Pterodactyl Handler on December 07, 2010, 09:49:58 AM
Even Atheism can be considered a faith.  Faith in logic, and rational thinking.

no - faith refers to a belief in something which is not based on proof

an atheist's beliefs have a logical underpinning which is an entirely different kind of animal than faith.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Snake-Man on December 07, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
no - faith refers to a belief in something which is not based on proof

an atheist's beliefs have a logical underpinning which is an entirely different kind of animal than faith.

Okay...then how would an Agnostic fit into this scenario??  Not quite religious, yet not exactly Atheist either...Agnostics can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a Higher Power.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Pterodactyl Handler on December 07, 2010, 11:38:33 AM
According to Huxley, agnosticism is a method of skeptical, evidence-based inquiry. It is not a belief, it is an attitude about beliefs, particularly religious or metaphysical claims.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: blessed of coyote on December 07, 2010, 12:42:39 PM
I don't have FaithTM. I have KnowledgeTM and DoubtTM.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: phoenixfire on December 12, 2010, 09:02:18 AM
There is one and only one thing that forms the basis of all religions: control. Whether self-control, or control of others, the point of religion is control in some form.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: sewenchanted on December 16, 2010, 04:53:25 PM
To me it's worshipping a greater power&  giving thanks to all that has been given to us...
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 16, 2010, 06:05:47 PM
There is one and only one thing that forms the basis of all religions: control. Whether self-control, or control of others, the point of religion is control in some form.

This. ^
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Hjolmaer on December 16, 2010, 06:23:08 PM
There is one and only one thing that forms the basis of all religions: control. Whether self-control, or control of others, the point of religion is control in some form.

I'd have to disagree.

I can control myself just fine without religion.  I don't use my religion to control myself.  I also don't use it to control others.  Or the world around me, for that matter.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Naturessong on December 17, 2010, 09:37:14 AM

To me it's worshipping a greater power&  giving thanks to all that has been given to us...

This makes sense to me.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Snake-Man on December 18, 2010, 01:30:28 AM
Faith (in): Pizza!

Communication: When I partake of its sacred flesh, it speaks to me via bowel rumblings.

Community: Many people exclaim in wonder when I go out in public after partaking of the sacred flesh. They honor The Holy Pizza by flapping their hands and holding their noses and asking "My God, What Is THAT?" Thus the word of Pizza spreads.

Piiiiiiii-zaaaaaa!

This portion of TCC has been brought to you by: The Cheesus Chrust Pizza Company.  Home of the Crucifixion Pizza.  "Mmmm...sacrilicious!!!"  "Because blasphemy never tasted so good."

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs136.snc1/5813_113545499300_585919300_2118752_1959976_n.jpg)


 ;D
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 18, 2010, 10:05:47 AM
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: ejfinch on December 18, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
Nice one Snake!! (giggling)  ;D
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 18, 2010, 03:19:06 PM
Jesausage?
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 18, 2010, 04:15:12 PM
Depends on if you want Italian or spicy Jesausage.  :D
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 18, 2010, 04:22:50 PM
Could add some Holy Spirit Bacon....for that extra lightning strike.  :-p
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 18, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
No, we just know it's delicious.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: ejfinch on December 18, 2010, 07:19:38 PM
How about a little Pagan Pepperoni or Hallelujah Jalapenos? Mmmmm Bacon of Babel!!
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 19, 2010, 10:50:42 AM
Bacon of Babel? Does that mean if we eat it, we won't understand each other after that?
 ;D
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: MissTree on December 19, 2010, 11:21:38 AM
Touche'.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: white weasel on December 03, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
I beleive that most all religions came from the same source and basically have the same message.  Each was changed for the native people in the area of the world that it was started in to make it easier for that group of people to understand.  And then was changed more by man kind itself thru Greed, and stupidity.  But if you cut away all of the BS that has been added on thru the ages I think you will find they all say the same thing. Love each other as your self, live in peace and understanding, take only what you need and love the Gods and Goddess.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Serpentium on December 03, 2011, 07:07:04 PM
I beleive that most all religions came from the same source and basically have the same message. 
This much is true. They originate from the same place. Man's desire for control and dominion over his fellow man. They all carry the same message. "You need to be controlled and dominated". Religion is just another tool of those who would maintain a position of rule.

Otherwise, what need for a Theocratic power structure of Priests who claim Pontiffs  rights over their "Congregation"?
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Alchymist on December 04, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
I would suggest that a "religion" and a "spiritual path" are two completely different things; as different as a six-lane highway and a forest trail.

A religion is, as has already been said on this thread, essentially a political control system, whereby a ruling elite keeps everyone else obedient and subservient through the fear of divine punishment. Its essence is faith, which is simply a shorthand way of saying an opinion for which no unambiguous corroborating evidence exists. In a religion all the answers are provided for you, and all you need to do is believe what you are told to believe, without any necessity to think about it or ask awkward questions. Indeed, many religions expressly forbid "thinking" of any kind.

A spiritual path is essentially experiential; there are no pre-digested answers, no Holy Books, no dogmas. There may be guides, but no gurus; guidelines (such as the Wiccan Rede), but no Ten Commandments. Free inquiry, asking questions, deciding on your own answers, are encouraged - even mandatory (any spiritual guide worth listening to positively welcomes awkward questions). "Think for yourself - question authority" is the only mantra.

All religions come from the same source; but every spiritual path is different. Occasionally you might walk part of your path in company with like-minded others; but for the most part, you are very much on your own.

Religions are for the masses; spiritual paths are for individuals.

May your own Path bring you joy and love and fufillment.

Alchymist.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Pterodactyl Handler on December 08, 2011, 06:51:53 AM
it occurs to me that Gnostic paths aren't based on faith, but knowledge gained through Gnostic experiences.
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: Firesong on December 08, 2011, 12:31:29 PM
it occurs to me that Gnostic paths aren't based on faith, but knowledge gained through Gnostic experiences.

Gnostic paths are based on belief in Gnosticism.  Faith?  Depends on how you define "belief". 
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: soulfire on December 13, 2011, 12:07:21 PM
I beg to differ, FS.  Gnosticism is not dogmatic, unless you look to others to define it for you and are looking for approval from such.  Many people make the mistake of doing that.  There is a church dedicated to it, even.  But beyond that, in my experience 'course, there is freedom and knowledge based on one's own experiences.  These build on each other and increase my faith, personally.  So for ONCE I agree with PH. 
Title: Re: The Basics of All Religions and Spiritual Paths
Post by: tresss on March 02, 2012, 04:05:41 PM
it occurs to me that Gnostic paths aren't based on faith, but knowledge gained through Gnostic experiences.

That's exactly it. Knowledge... You know it. Maybe you can't explain it very well, but somehow you just know. It might be an irrational thing to say at times! I know! Elves do exist! But God is irrational, as well as rational. The unknown isn't called the unknown just for the fun of it.
I don't use the word 'belief' that much. I just observe, feel, and go with my heart. Love is important to all paths.... Maybe except the tiny % based on hate! :-p