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Title: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: orakaius on August 07, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
I felt that I'd never need any 'idols' patron gods, or any names I'd prefer to call upon but lately I've decided to become a follower of Pan & The Morrigan. As I'm from Irish heritage, and have always felt a affinity towards Greek mythology.

So how about you?
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Post by: Earthbound Spirit on August 07, 2011, 03:21:35 PM
The Lord and Lady has always worked for me.
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Post by: Nixie on August 15, 2011, 01:30:41 AM
This best explains it...

My Path (http://spiritualnexus.freeforums.org/nixie-s-path-t138.html)
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: balgoltha on August 16, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
DRAGON.....White Feathered Rainbow
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Post by: marisol on September 06, 2011, 12:05:28 AM
The Tripal Goddess Dianna,Selene, and Hecate. The God I do not name. Sometimes I simply
refer to them as the Lord and the Lady or the Divine.
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Post by: Healer Ashling on September 06, 2011, 08:59:53 PM
I do like Lord and Lady, Father Time and Mother Earth are my most common ones, but when I feel the need to have a specific need attended to I like Athena and Bes. They suit me just fine :)
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Post by: cheese on September 06, 2011, 09:48:01 PM
Right now, none. 

Back in the day I used to call on the intercession of many different Saints:

St. Thomas Aquinas (for help in my studies in seminary)
St. Peter (as the first Pope)
St. Michael the Archangel (to defend against evil)

Those were the three main Saints.  At other times, I'd throw in St. Benedict (the patron of were I went to school) and St. Cecilia (patroness of musicians).
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Post by: Serpentium on September 07, 2011, 04:26:22 PM
Curly, Larry, and Mo.
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Post by: dark magus on September 07, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
There are no "gods" just guides to aide you on your path.
They don't require worship. They don't ask for it and don't acknowledge it when given.

All things are the potential or the expression of the one source, the energy that IS this universe. We are energy and we are all connected, all one, we are the one, WE are god.
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Post by: soulfire on September 10, 2011, 08:06:47 AM
what prev. poster said(sort of).  I am a panentheist and believe in the Great Creator, the All, but I realize I am the intercessor for my own life, hence witchcraft, eh? ;)  Panentheism=God is more than the sum and total of everything that makes up God.  Synergy.

I'm not sure what you mean by patron god? 
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Post by: HordaksPupil on November 26, 2011, 07:43:35 PM
Ever since I was little I have had an affinity towards Egypt- it fascinated me the pharaohs, the monuments, etc there was something about that land and it's ways that attracted to me. So for me I feel the call of Isis, Osiris, and Horus. I will also on occasion if I have certain needs will appeal to other mainly Thoth and Anubis.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: marisol on December 12, 2011, 01:48:37 PM
I find my path changing of late and it worries me. I find myself turning more towards witchcraft than Wicca and Wicca is my love. At times I am scared of leaving too much behind. It doesn't mean I no longer believe. Things are changing and it leaves me unsettled.
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Post by: dark magus on December 12, 2011, 02:14:43 PM
I read some place a while back that Isis is not an old Goddess of Egypt. Rather her roots go back to Nubia, a nation that existed before Egypt became a strong nation.
And Isis is an English transaltion of the Greek translation of Esat (pronounced EE SA)

M....We all go through phases. We doubt either some or all of what it is we think we believe. From what I've seen in the past, it always seems to happen around late fall and winter months.
Personally, I think it may be that as the weather chills off, we spend less time out side. Less direct connection with nature.
When was the last time you went bare foot in the yard?
Take some time for your self. Go for a walk in the woods, sit by a tree or flowing water, and just enjoy the place you're at.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: oldghost on December 12, 2011, 05:57:57 PM
Marisol , what about changing your path worries you , after all you can be Wiccan and still practice Witchcraft . A lot of Witch are also Wiccan , most of those I know are ; they do go hand in hand . It goes like this -Pagans are the people - Wiccan is the religion and Witchcraft is the work that binds the whole into the Trinity. Just like Maiden, Mother , Crone . Have no worry when the three are joined then one become whole. Try it Marisol you'll be amazed.
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Post by: crystalenka on December 12, 2011, 08:19:18 PM
The Slavic pantheon. Veles and Mokosh in particular, and possibly Stribog.
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Post by: oldghost on December 12, 2011, 09:15:37 PM
BADB and CROMM CRUAICH. some times NEMAN , MACHA  ,MORRIGU . Rarely call on any of the male gods but when I do mostly its DAGDA or ODIN. A few other from time to time.,
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Post by: Michelle on December 25, 2011, 05:13:06 AM
I stick with Aradia as she's feminine, young, vital and impetuous. She is reflected in the Moon. The God I refer to as The Horned One. Being of the same nature as the fiery Sun He is just as important as the Goddess as only both together can form the all powerful All. As Sun and Moon they chase each other across the sky - Him hungry for Her, while She flirts terribly - though always allusive. A fairly romanticised view of the duality yet one that I find most satisfying.
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Post by: Serpentium on December 25, 2011, 01:00:30 PM
You cannot really ignore the emerging, new Godforms though. Today, the strongest 'new' Godforms are taking Corporate shape. Even the word "Corporate" suggests it. Become a body.

Examine the symbolism employed in any particularly successful Corporation. Their trademark logos, (Another telling word) Their mottos. Even their headed notepaper.


Rothschild Corporation is a good example. Start with their Red Shield. Above their doors. Shocking really, where that starts leading you. 
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: Michelle on December 25, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
How come you can take the simplest of discussions and turn them into some neo-political..... deep..... thing?

Goodness!
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Post by: Serpentium on December 25, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
I sometimes don't know whether it's a gift, or a curse. (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Landover%20emotes/scenic.gif)
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: marisol on December 29, 2011, 06:39:09 AM
Serp just has a different way if seeing things, that's all. Something we all can benefit from.  Don't
judge to quickly.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: Michelle on December 31, 2011, 07:15:13 PM
Not judging. I think Serp is pretty cool actually. I am so aware of the things I don't know and don't understand that I am usually in awe of all of you at one time or another given your posts and the "quality" of comment. Please don't ever think I am taking the piss out of anyone as I'd just never do that.

Serp tends to view a topic upon a level that is (most of the time) above me. I see a duck and to me it's just a duck. Serp would see more, so much more.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: marisol on December 31, 2011, 08:31:16 PM
Serp would see a swan.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: Michelle on December 31, 2011, 10:58:52 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: Serpentium on January 01, 2012, 12:31:17 AM
I'd see a Goose. Swans are too big to get in the oven, and they taste horrible. Ducks are delicious, but a little on the small side.
And with a Goose, there's always the chance of it laying a Golden Egg.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: Michelle on January 01, 2012, 01:43:01 AM
You see what I mean and why I can often be in awe of you? I began with a duck. Marisol saw a swan. And you, well you saw a golden egg. How wonderful - and all from a simple duck. I just love this forum. Here I am a child again and all is candy for the soul.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: dark magus on January 05, 2012, 03:45:02 PM
I'd see a Goose. Swans are too big to get in the oven, and they taste horrible. Ducks are delicious, but a little on the small side.
And with a Goose, there's always the chance of it laying a Golden Egg.
I hate geese...and swans. And those ain't no golden eggs being dropped on the greens at the golf coarse!
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: tresss on March 05, 2012, 09:07:55 AM
Actually browsed the net and found some Goddesses that sing my tune. Venus is definately me. I also love the Virgin Mary...even if she's not an 'official' Goddess. Couldn't find any good pictures of Aphrodite though.
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Post by: tresss on March 05, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
I hate geese...and swans. And those ain't no golden eggs being dropped on the greens at the golf coarse!

Is it the noises that Geese make, that you dislike? They can be loud!
Swans are beautiful. I like feeding them bits of bread.. maybe not so good, but I like to have an interaction with them. I think I'll become a swan at some point. quack, quack.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 05, 2012, 09:27:28 AM
I have a problem with seeing the source of my being as outside of myself. That was always my biggest problem growing up Christian.  As an Atheist, I do not believe in deity but I do believe in a universal consciousness.  I see all that exists as this consciousness's exploration and expression of itself.

While I do not hold to a purpose or plan to life, I do believe life is about exploring all it means to be human. I am determined to love freely, hate freely, mourn and grieve freely, to feel without restaint or rules and regulation on how to act or be, to be true to my human nature and the rapture and ecstasy that results from my connection to the life force of the earth.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: tresss on March 05, 2012, 12:16:24 PM
Hmm, but what is outside is also inside, and vice versa. :-) A useful Tantric saying is: "What is here is elsewhere, and what is not here is nowhere". So for me, the cup of tea is just as much God, as anything else is whether it's in my digestive system or in the cup! Deities work the same way. My Goddess is outside and inside, manifest and unmanifest simultaneously. To me, I am the whole universe! The universe is also individually me! Or to put it another way, my Goddess is ALL, yet still remains herself.
 
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Post by: tresss on March 05, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
Also,

we can be more than human, with human emotions and behaviour. Part of being a Goddess is being life! Universal consciousness is deity!

Btw, love your catipillar icon. :-)
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Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 05, 2012, 02:02:40 PM
I like your thoughts, tresss.   :)

Growing up in a Christian cult, I try to put as much distance between me and deity or God as I can.  I still haven't come to terms with the abuse I suffered although I've done a lot of healing over the past several years.   

PS: The caterpillar is supposed to be reminiscent of a little green worm. 
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: tresss on March 05, 2012, 02:32:42 PM
I like your thoughts, tresss.   :)

Growing up in a Christian cult, I try to put as much distance between me and deity or God as I can.  I still haven't come to terms with the abuse I suffered although I've done a lot of healing over the past several years.   

PS: The caterpillar is supposed to be reminiscent of a little green worm.

Yes, sorry to hear that. Seems very common! Glad that in the UK, Christianity as an organised religion is fairly weak. The British are brought up to be much more individual, I feel. They tend to have more freedom to choose their own path..

Never seen a green worm before! ;-)
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Post by: marisol on March 05, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
Yes it's a cute little green worm, it still suits you pg, lol
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: marisol on March 05, 2012, 04:40:32 PM
pg how can you be an atheist, but believe in a universal consciousness?
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 05, 2012, 05:05:32 PM
pg how can you be an atheist, but believe in a universal consciousness?

My definition of Atheism is not believing in deity that one petitions for favor or worships in order to obtain favor in this life or in a supposed afterlife.

The question I ask is... Did life evolve consciousness or did consciousness evolve life?

I like to think consciousness evolved alongside life.  As I said earlier, all existance... material or otherwise... is the exploration and expression of a universal consciousness.

Of course, then there's the view of those like tresss that universal consciousness is deity.  It all boils down to definition. 
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Post by: tresss on March 06, 2012, 09:11:35 AM
It all boils down to definition.

Personally I don't choose to recognise (Don't know if that is the right term) hierarchy...In the sense of a dominant + submissive. I think that leads to violence and unrest. So no God has power over me, because I am God; I am that power. So is everyone. But I consciously choose to manifest HER presence in the here and now, either through visualisation or just by being empty enough so her love/my love emanates. Praying for me is just part of that acknowledgement and devotion. But prayer is also a meditation, communion, and has tangible physical effects.

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Post by: tresss on March 06, 2012, 09:47:17 AM
Also, I never use the term 'patron gods'. It makes me think of a big, old, authoritarian-type figure in society. lol.

Anyway, having a living deity (Giving energy to the consciousness of what 'Goddess' embodies for you... a symbol of sorts), gives real creative power! :-) it really works. God is not just impersonal and undetectable (of course, it also has a transcendendent aspect).
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 06, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
I like a lot of what you have to say, tresss.   :)

Not to derail the thread, but I guess you could say practicing magick is my religion/god. 

Magick is empowerment of my inner self.  A meeting of my conscious and subconscious minds.  It is a bringing forth and bubbling over of all I know I can be.  Magick is empowerment of the self.  It is wholeness of the self.  The real and true me.  The attainable me.

Abby Willroot says (in part)... "She Who Creates (the Spiral Goddess) is about claiming your power and allowing the magick and uniqueness within you to express itself in the world.  Look into yourself and claim that part of yourself that is deep at your core.  ...It is your true self, it is where your power resides.  Dare to claim that part of yourself and spiral it into the world, and be the strongest, most brilliant, shining you that there is."
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Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 06, 2012, 01:08:09 PM
...I consciously choose to manifest HER presence in the here and now, either through visualisation or just by being empty enough so her love/my love emanates.

I like how you said that.   :)

I don't believe in love or in evil or in a source of either.  Love is an emotion, a need.  Evil is simply the other end of the scale.   But to express it the way you did is something I can buy into.
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Post by: tresss on March 06, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
I like how you said that.   :)

I don't believe in love or in evil or in a source of either.  Love is an emotion, a need.  Evil is simply the other end of the scale.   But to express it the way you did is something I can buy into.

Looks like you have a more psychological explanation of the divine..? :-) Maybe you read a lot of Jung. I've read a little, and his language was more palatable before I began embracing words like 'God' (I was not brought up religious at all). Terms like 'the self' still mean sonething to me though. 'Magic' on the other hand is new to me! I encountered it in a book on Wicca. I just say 'Creation', 'Creating' or 'Manifestation' usually. Magic sounds more fun though. :-)

It took me a few months or so to get used to saying 'God', and a little bit longer to really understand what that meant.

Love the quote! Spirals are so beautiful and dizzy.

'Love' is how I describe the feeling because it is blissful. But I also feel the 'law of love' which to me is how the earth keeps spinning, how we all stay on the ground ('gravity'), and how everything just seems to.. survive. Love I feel is tge glue of the universe; how things ATTRACT to other things.
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Post by: tresss on March 06, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
Love is also focus! When we give our full, conscious attention to a person or thing then that is giving up yourself for the other. But focus is also literally energy. It's the unconscious energy focused through mind. Hard to explain. Like the sun's rays through a magnifine glass.
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Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 06, 2012, 03:17:12 PM
But focus is also literally energy. It's the unconscious energy focused through mind.

Now that speaks to me.  As a reiki practitioner and a student of energy medicine, my focus is all about energy.
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Post by: Earthbound Spirit on March 06, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
TPG, your not an atheist, imho.
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Post by: marisol on March 06, 2012, 05:51:43 PM
pg you belieive in the energy of the divine. You seek to understand it. In my opinion that doesn't
make you an atheist.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: catgirl on March 06, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
Marisol , what about changing your path worries you , after all you can be Wiccan and still practice Witchcraft . A lot of Witch are also Wiccan , most of those I know are ; they do go hand in hand . It goes like this -Pagans are the people - Wiccan is the religion and Witchcraft is the work that binds the whole into the Trinity. Just like Maiden, Mother , Crone . Have no worry when the three are joined then one become whole. Try it Marisol you'll be amazed.

I love that! That is well said oldghost. Thank you. I have an affinity for Dianna and do pray directly to her or worship her most of the time but I also honor and call upon others as well. I guess I'm considered eclectic. I do honor the God as well. I'm not as prone to calling upon specific Gods but I feel it's important for me to honor the Gods as well.  Mostly I say "Father God".
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Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 06, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
pg you belieive in the energy of the divine. You seek to understand it. In my opinion that doesn't
make you an atheist.

The word "divine" makes me cringe.  I try to distance myself from anything remotely...  well, you, know.

@EBS:  So how would you classifly me?   You too, Marisol.
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Post by: tresss on March 07, 2012, 06:16:00 AM
The word "divine" makes me cringe.  I try to distance myself from anything remotely...  well, you, know.

@EBS:  So how would you classifly me?   You too, Marisol.

But hey, if you accept everything as divine, then it is so. There is no 'not divine', so there's no problem. Personally I think we're just in a mini semantic tug-o-war. :-)

To me, you come across as... mm, you have your swimming costume on and your kind of dipping your toes in the water.. testing the temperature. But you don't want to get into the deep end. Actually, maybe you just love sitting by the pool. ;-) Goddess's pool!!
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Post by: marisol on March 07, 2012, 08:57:06 AM
Pg it's not really my place to try yo tell you what you are. I was mentioning only my observations.
But since you did ask. I feel you are an eclectic pagan. You don't like religion, but you do seek the divine. Your personal belief system has been taken from a variety of sources and there is nothing
wrong with it.

Now you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about,etc. This is only what I got from your posts and I'm probably wrong. Only you know your relationship with the divine.
Title: Re: Who are your patron Gods?
Post by: tresss on March 07, 2012, 10:54:37 AM
Yeah, like Marisol said...It's not my place to persuade or 'sell' spiritual life to you. I don't really want to do that either. It's all about how YOU feel.
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Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 07, 2012, 12:08:37 PM
I don't feel either of you are trying to sell me anything.  :)   I was just wondering how you would label someone with beliefs such as mine.  I've run across the you-are-not-an-Atheist-as-you-claim dialogue before. 

You're right, Marisol, I do not like religion.  I don't feel I seek the divine but cause I don't consider anything divine.  It just is.  Whatever it is. 

It's all about control with me.  I don't want controlled and I want to control everything.  I thought I was done fighting this battle, but obviously not.   

I think sometimes I want something to cling to... okay, I do want something to cling to at times.  Then I wake up and slap myself silly.  I don't want hope when I know within that there is no hope.  Hope for what?   I don't have a clue.  I like to think I know what I don't want.     

What I really want is everything all spelled out nice and neat.  I want to know what is and what isn't so I don't have to guess.  I can't surrender my all to something I have no clue as to what is.  I can't let go.  I can't trust.  I rather think I need to figure out exactly what it is that I am scared of.

Energy.  I believe in energy.  Don't ask anymore questions.  :D 

Now I have a stomach ache.  Pardon me while I go take an antacid and beat my head against a brick wall.   
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Post by: dark magus on March 07, 2012, 11:26:43 PM
If you don't like the term "the divine" maybe what I call it most of the time would work...The Source.
 
Omnipresence, megamind, His Divine Shadow, Bob....they work too!
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Post by: The Pet Goddess on March 08, 2012, 05:20:59 AM
If you don't like the term "the divine" maybe what I call it most of the time would work...The Source.
 
Omnipresence, megamind, His Divine Shadow, Bob....they work too!

Bob.  I like that.  Might get a bit confusing when trying to explain my beliefs to others.  But hey, that's their problem.   :D

I like Cosmic Consciousness, Great All, All that Is...  I do use the term Goddess from time to time, but that often confuses people as they obviously think I am referring to deity.  I simply need to keep my mouth shut.   :-X
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Post by: tresss on March 08, 2012, 05:50:54 AM
Bob.  I like that.  Might get a bit confusing when trying to explain my beliefs to others.  But hey, that's their problem.   :D

I like Cosmic Consciousness, Great All, All that Is...  I do use the term Goddess from time to time, but that often confuses people as they obviously think I am referring to deity.  I simply need to keep my mouth shut.   :-X

Pg, I thought you did magic? If so, do you not already have a trust and knowng from your direct experiences. Do you not already have knowledge?

Let me say this, the truth really is in your heart. And that's tge last I'll say on that. But I want  to help the other part of your brain understand as well.

Try these:

'Sir John Woodroffe / Shakta & Shakti' - I think that is correct. Type Woodroffe into Wikipedia and some of his texts are actually free online. It explains the science of it.

Also, my personal resource and guide - 'Ramtha'. She also delves into the scientific side. But even so, it is never divorced from the natural, spontaneous intuition of your God. So if you are looking for a complete divorce, then you'll have to do it in your own mind.

Ramtha has a website (and a course), but try to get the CD 'understanding dimensional mind through changing frequency'.

the science and philosophy though is nothing without direct experience and trust. But the science helps grow that trust. The rest is up to you.
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Post by: dark magus on March 08, 2012, 09:08:47 AM
Pg, I thought you did magic? If so, do you not already have a trust and knowing from your direct experiences. Do you not already have knowledge?

Let me say this, the truth really is in your heart. And that's tge last I'll say on that. But I want  to help the other part of your brain understand as well.

Try these:

'Sir John Woodroffe / Shakta & Shakti' - I think that is correct. Type Woodroffe into Wikipedia and some of his texts are actually free online. It explains the science of it.

Also, my personal resource and guide - 'Ramtha'. She also delves into the scientific side. But even so, it is never divorced from the natural, spontaneous intuition of your God. So if you are looking for a complete divorce, then you'll have to do it in your own mind.

Ramtha has a website (and a course), but try to get the CD 'understanding dimensional mind through changing frequency'.

the science and philosophy though is nothing without direct experience and trust. But the science helps grow that trust. The rest is up to you.

What does magic have to do with some concept of the divine?
I really dislike the term "magic". No matter how you spell it, it always comes across as something from a Harry Potter movie. The term energy weaving (to me) makes more sense. When we pray, perform a rite, cast a spell, cast our heartfelt wishes to the winds......we are manipulating the energy that is all things. We are attempting, knowingly or not, to alter our environment or perception of the universe and our place within it. Because all things are energy, all things share a connection with everything else. That includes what ever concept of the divine you may hold. Because we are connected, we are an aspect of the "divine" and as such belief in god is a belief in self and then it follows belief in self is to believe in a "divine".
It's not my intention here to preach or to try to convince anyone of my view or faith so I'll just stop with this.