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Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: marisol on January 09, 2012, 03:25:24 PM
To die ,fightingfor what is right is an honorable death. To die as a slave is to be forgotten for the
terror of slavery is many fold, and the terrorists are many.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: dark magus on January 09, 2012, 06:10:15 PM
Any death can be an honorable death Marisol. There's no requirement that it has happen while fighting for some noble cause nor does it need witnesses. As long as you are true to your own ideals, your own values, your spirit knows your worth. And when it's time to stand before what ever you perceive as divinity, really, that's all that truly matters.
The spirit moves on and is no long in pain, no more worry, no more sorrow. Just peace.
How a person is remembered or if they are remembered is for the living only.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: marisol on January 09, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Well said dm
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Serpentium on January 09, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
The issue of "Honourable" itself only has relevance for the living. I doubt it matters much to the person doing the dying. I'd trade "Honourable" for painless and quick, any day of the week.  It doesn't really matter how we die, it's how we live that matters.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: marisol on January 09, 2012, 07:26:27 PM
Oh you sweet men I don't have the strength to disagree tonite.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: oldghost on January 09, 2012, 07:35:03 PM
Serp. Serp. How you die , is very important it tells how you lived. Much better to die on your feet then on your knee's .If you can take some of them out when your dieing so much the better
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Serpentium on January 09, 2012, 08:08:09 PM
My Mum, and my Nan, both admirable Women, who had both been through War, loss, and much suffering, emotionally and physically, then beat any adversity, and emerged without malice or a bad word to say about anyone, both suffered painful drawn out deaths from Cancer.

Well, I'm sorry, but that said nothing about the way they lived. It's a very unpleasant business for all concerned. People don't get the death they earn, or deserve. They just get death. The form it takes rarely has anything to do with the life they lived.   
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: oldghost on January 09, 2012, 08:24:46 PM
                          TRUE WORDS SERP. I WATCH MY MOTHER DIE A VERY SLOW DEATH , SHE NEVER GAVED UP .
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: dark magus on January 09, 2012, 08:29:17 PM
Serp. Serp. How you die , is very important it tells how you lived. Much better to die on your feet then on your knee's .If you can take some of them out when your dieing so much the better
That's ego talking. Anyone who thinks like that has never buried their own child. I have, and I can tell you, her death did not define her life
enough said
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: oldghost on January 09, 2012, 08:35:28 PM
January 26 th 1986 , Adele age 11 daughter , Harry ( Hank) age 9  son, Iam age 33 wife , my wife and MY children . That was the day they died . I  was not there ...
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: marisol on January 09, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
I think we all just have different views on this subject. Wether a family member, a friend, or a pet. It all hurts, but we hold their memory in our hearts. As long as we remember them they are
never really gone.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: oldghost on January 09, 2012, 09:04:58 PM
                                              TILL THE DAY I DIE , ALWAYS IN MY HEART. THEN FOREVER
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Michelle on January 10, 2012, 04:17:23 AM
Having never lost a family member I am scared as to how I might react when that day comes and one of my parents (both devoted to the other) stands above ground as the other is lowered into the earth.

You must be so strong OG. I don't think I could have survived that if I was you.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Scorched Eartha on January 10, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
I'm the sole survivor of my nuclear family apart from a sister I am estranged from after she engaged in some nefarious financial skulduggery with my dying, grieving mother. My four other siblings have all died.

My parents did everything together. Even to the point of being diagnosed with terminal cancer three weeks apart. Mum only lived 4 months after dad. It was hard at the time. I'd just had my first child. I became a mother and an orphan within the space of six months.  Then looking through mum's financial records the day after her funeral I discovered the funnelling of funds to my sister's account and wiped her. Talk about feeling alone.

But even then I knew. They really did want to be together for eternity. And that's a huge comfort. To have seen one of them live alone and without the other for long; to know how lonely they were -  that would have been infinitely more painful.

But losing your wife and children....I'm not sure I'd have the strength to survive a loss like that.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: C_A on January 10, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
I think I might split this thread.  Consensus?

I lost my granddaughter after a four year fight with brain tumors.  She was 5-1/2.

My mom & dad have "The Pact".  My wife and I do too.

Anyhow...Back on topic so I can split it if there's a consensus.


Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Khara on January 10, 2012, 02:01:31 PM
Please do, not that I am not completely sympathetic to people's loss, it really is way off tangent for the OP's topic.
Title: Re: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Scorched Eartha on January 10, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
I think I might split this thread.  Consensus?

I'm easy.

Relatively inexpensive too.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: C_A on January 10, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
Amein.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Scorched Eartha on January 10, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
Amein.

Ramen did you say? Pesto be upon you then.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: marisol on January 10, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words have forked no lightening they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.                    Dylan Thomas  1914-1953
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: oldghost on January 12, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
Do it C_A.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: C_A on January 13, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
Done.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Scorched Eartha on January 13, 2012, 03:36:19 PM
A VALEDICTION FORBIDDING MOURNING.

AS virtuous men pass mildly away, 
    And whisper to their souls to go, 
Whilst some of their sad friends do say,
    "Now his breath goes," and some say, "No."                     

So let us melt, and make no noise,                                     
    No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move ;
'Twere profanation of our joys 
    To tell the laity our love.

Moving of th' earth brings harms and fears ;
    Men reckon what it did, and meant ;                             
But trepidation of the spheres, 
    Though greater far, is innocent.

Dull sublunary lovers' love 
    —Whose soul is sense—cannot admit 
Of absence, 'cause it doth remove                                     
    The thing which elemented it.

But we by a love so much refined,
    That ourselves know not what it is, 
Inter-assurèd of the mind, 
    Care less, eyes, lips and hands to miss.                           

Our two souls therefore, which are one, 
    Though I must go, endure not yet 
A breach, but an expansion, 
    Like gold to aery thinness beat.

If they be two, they are two so                                         
    As stiff twin compasses are two ; 
Thy soul, the fix'd foot, makes no show 
    To move, but doth, if th' other do.

And though it in the centre sit, 
    Yet, when the other far doth roam,                               
It leans, and hearkens after it, 
    And grows erect, as that comes home.

Such wilt thou be to me, who must,
    Like th' other foot, obliquely run ;
Thy firmness makes my circle just,                                   
    And makes me end where I begun. 
 
John Donne.

I just thought it made a nice companion piece to the Dylan Thomas.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: blue on January 13, 2012, 04:17:39 PM

 It seems to me that everyone you have ever known will leave -or- you will leave them.

 That's the impermanent nature of things.

 About the best anyone can do is take the loss and move on. There really isn't any other choice.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: marisol on January 13, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
That was nice SE.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: dark magus on January 13, 2012, 04:44:37 PM
It seems to me that everyone you have ever known will leave -or- you will leave them.

 That's the impermanent nature of things.

 About the best anyone can do is take the loss and move on. There really isn't any other choice.
My daughter died a few years ago, but she's not gone. I see her when I close my eyes and look for her. I hear her when I listen. She's in my heart always.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: blue on January 13, 2012, 05:11:07 PM

 I understand DM. Carry her with you always.  :)

 My heart keeps telling me that someday i'm going to look back from the other side and truly wonder what all of the fuss was about. I'm in NO rush for it, but when my time comes i hope i'm brave enough to just let go and joyfully take a running leap into the great abyss.
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: oldghost on January 14, 2012, 01:02:34 AM
My heart to you dm .
Title: Re: WICCAN VS WITCH
Post by: Michelle on January 14, 2012, 01:56:43 AM
Absolutely. I can get so wrapped up in me me me, it puts things in perspective to hear such as that.