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Title: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on March 07, 2012, 11:20:03 AM
A Pan thread wouldn't hurt here. I may have already posted the first part here before somewhere, can't remember.


Pan is all. Pan means "everything". And everything can suddenly become very real. Very powerful. Very Dread. Pan is old. Ancient. He is older than the Olympians, whom he is sometimes counted among. But he never had much time for those who dwelled on Olympus, preferring his wooded groves, and his Nymphs and Satyrs for company. Older than the God of Moses, who hates Him, and would kill him if such a thing were possible. Old as the caves where his horned visage was first painted on walls of limestone. His presence is everywhere and still, the woods are alive with the smell of his coming.He is overwhelming. All encompassing. And he is here. He is, in this sense, the Opener. The Keeper of the Gate. To pass into Arcadia and seek the blessing of any who dwell within, you must first pass the test of the Opener. His awe full Mystery. One that the Christians make much of. The Krishnas know it too. So do the Moslems. It is not a thing of Religion though, it is a thing of Man. The smallest child can manage it as well as the mightiest Warrior.In some mythologies, you have to pass a Sphinx . Or some Old Women. In others, a Giant. In the Old Testament, he is an Angel, with a Sword of Fire. But I'm using the Mythos that has been revealed to me, and my Opener is Pan. And Pan is all.The unprepared, who might stray upon him, might well be ravaged, or cracked before they find their way back. The Fearô will have it's way with them. It must be sublimated somehow before you can pass. There is no other way.But the Seeker must risk everything in his Quest. They don't call it the Siege Perilous for nothing. You cannot come thinking through this Door. How do you emerge, unbroken from the Panic, what must you learn before you can receive the Grace of the Opener?



Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on March 07, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
The Fearô is the test. It lives in the dark places that we don't much care to look. Pan opens those places, so that we cannot look away. And our first reaction to what lives there is Fear. We can struggle, we can fight to overcome that fear, (And many fine myths and legends have arisen from that struggle) but that is neglecting to examine the nature of Fear itself.

Fear is a spur, to remind us there is danger in the unknown.It is not the enemy, so why fight it? Make what is unknown, known. The Fearô is Pan's divine fear, his Panic. He opens, and we see. What we see is our own dark reflection. And until we embrace that darkness, we are but men. I

n response to The Fearô, Christianity teaches supplication, demands obedience, and worship of God, through Christ. But they have confounded the path by making the lesson the goal. That fear, with all it's attendant Devils and Demons becomes the enemy, and it is only through Jesus that it can be overcome. The whole faith of Christianity rests largely upon that one single theme.

Pan turns you round 180 degrees, so The Fearô must be examined. He does not bring the Devils or the Bugbears. When we examine them in his light, (Partly why Pan sometimes equates as Lucifer) we see those fears are just our own insecurities, fed by generations of preferred ignorance.
Divided from our 'better', civilised selves, they found our dark corners, and the corners being dark, played on our fear to remain hidden.

To coax such things from the darkness is anathema to enlightenment. But to examine those things in the light of understanding is onwards and upwards. And to embrace them, as part of ourselves is to accept our own capacity for divinity. That's what the whole story about the apple and the garden is about. For the knowledge of good and evil truly made us as Gods. So Man could no longer dwell in Arcadia.

We were "cut off" from entering by an Angel with a Sword of fire. Christianity teaches atonement for that "Sin". In the vain hope that we will be re-admitted after death. Submit, submit, submit to God. And that perhaps, if we are properly penitent, God will allow us to bathe in his Grace. Well good luck with that, all you who follow the Christos. It's a trick. The true path is in there, but your Church turns you away. It's true, 'Man' cannot walk again, "Et in Acrcadia, ego". Not as the divided being he has become. First he must embrace, own and accept those things in the darkness. They are us. Of us. And to us they must return if we are to attain The State of Grace that is Arcadia.

Not through penitence, or supplication. We must utterly reject the very concept of "Sin". There is no crime against God for which we must atone. That is a lie. Oh, the Flaming Sword is there, in one form or another, it is the divider, the gateway. It creates the shadows that we so fear to look at. And by doing so, keeps Man divided from his Divine self.

The one theme that you might be surprised was left in by the Christians, is Submission. Submission is the correct attitude when confronted by The Fearô. We can fight it, and fight it most heroically. But we cannot win, for ultimately, it is against ourselves we fight. The Fearô is there to teach us one thing. Confronted with a foe we cannot vanquish, not because it is so much mightier than we are, but because by fighting at all, it is ourselves we seek to destroy. 

And we can no longer flee, because the darkness has been thrown back by our state of Panic, there is only one relevant option, and that is SUBMISSION. Not the Christian Submission 'To God'. That doesn't deal with the division. Not Submission in any Martial sense. What Pan 'opens' you up to, is your dark self. YOU. To Submit here, is no defeat. Because there is no Enemy there to fear. No God to bend the knee to. Just ourselves. Only through SUBMISSION can we accept our own Divinity.

Not (As the Christians would have it) by living on our knees, attempting to atone for some non-existent Sin. Just by just simply submitting to those parts of ourselves from which we have become divided. By not fighting them / ourselves. There is no defeat here, and if you are looking for a victory, there is also none.
What there is, is Grace.

When I first was shown The Fearô, I fought and fought. The more I fought, the stronger it got. The stronger it got, the more I feared it. I thought if I could somehow escape it, then I would not be utterly consumed, and consigned to whatever Hell I had prepared for myself.It was only when I stopped resisting, and learned to SUBMIT that I understood. As soon as I SUBMITTED, all of The Fearô just vanished into nothing, and was replaced by His. Good. Grace.


I laughed at the simplicity of it until tears streamed down my face. If life (and there's a lot to said for this viewpoint) was some huge joke, then it was like hearing the punchline for the first time. I had, through submission, attained (albeit, briefly) Christos. I was bathed in Grace, and knew what it really was we have been hiding from for so long.


We were never really 'expelled' from The Garden. We just stopped seeing it because our Fathers bought into the idea of "Sin" so long ago. That is what created the gulf between us, and Godhead.


But it's ALL around us ALL the time. (PANoramic) In ALL things. (PANdemic) I had passed through that place of all Demons (PANdemonium) and been bathed in healing Grace (PANacea) At every turn, PAN revealing, PAN restoring. The perfume of PAN pervading. He asks for no acts of worship, no bended knee. And the only sacrifice he demands, is that we release that Fear we took so long ago, and nurtured like a child. In return, we remember that we were made in God's image. That we ate of the Fruit that made us as Gods. And that restored in this way we have every right to enter Arcadia on our feet, as worthy as any we might meet there.


And Pan is the opener of the ways. Has been for as long as man first began to see beyond the moment.

Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Snake-Man on March 08, 2012, 12:46:13 AM
I................actually liked this.  Well done, Serp.   8)
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on March 08, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
Thanks. Been meaning to do this for a while now.


Pan, for all his instantly recognisable storybook profile, is a tricky one to find origins for. I know he was rather uncomfortably counted as one of the Olympians, but I think anyone with more than a nodding acquaintance with classical Mythology must realise that Pan is nothing like them. He never (As far as I know) even went to Mt Olympus. He stayed in his wild places, his groves and glades. And had as little to do with the Olympians as possible.


I half recall some beef he may have had with Apollo over some Cattle or something, and there was the Pipe thing, where he made some deal with Apollo (I think) so that he got all the acclaim for inventing music. But the tale was quite clear that Pan had the music first. Kind of a "OK. OK. Take the bloody music, go and be Zeus' golden boy. Do what you like, run back to your crazy ass Family, up your Mountain, just leave me out of it" springs to mind.


He clearly didn't fit in with the scheming, plotting, bickering powerplay stuff that was being thrashed out up the Hill. He had no interest in the Olympians. Which suggests he pre-dates them. He's not a Titan, or we'd have known all about it when Zeus was crowing about his victories and how puissant, powerful, and mighty he was.


And uncharacteristically, The Thunderer never tried to throw his prodigious weight around in order to impress, intimidate, co-erce, or otherwise influence Pan. Which suggests that Zeus was actually a bit wary around him. Not like Zeus, is it?
He didn't usually like it at all if one little detail didn't go his way, or to be denied even the smallest thing that his toddler sized social skills couldn't get him. And he never once challenged Pan.


So the things that were Pans, were never even considered as part of the the Prize of the Olympians after Zeus threw down the Titans. And Pan wasn't a Titan, so he must have pre-dated the Titans, or arrived with them.


The undisputable place that this most ancient of Gods still has very much to say for himself, is in our languages. Pan is one of those words that hasn't changed in it's meaning since day one. Not in any of the languages that draw from the ancient Greek, nor in any of the ages since, has it meant anything other than "All encompassing". And it can never mean anything else. And that is an extremely rare thing for a word. And this hints at the true potency of Pan.
Pan means "everything" there is. Everything is contained within what is "Pan". And that is a very powerful Godform to be knocking about for so long, unchanged without having any subsequent Religion or Society co-opt or subvert it to a cause.


Pan equates to all those messianic Sun Heros, as the unifier as well. Because he is the one, the unbroken whole, there can be no division or  separate otherness that is not in the All. Or of Pan. He has been partly syncretised into a number of other subsequent Deities as well. Mostly associated with the Mystery Cults. Which utilises his role as opener. The Dionysiac mysteries borrow from Pan. The Orphic mysteries too. Orpheus was ripped apart by the Wild Maenads who follow Dionysis. And  maddened by drugs and wine, them crazy beeatches were always on the hunt for Manflesh. They couldn't get a rise out of poor Orpheus, who was still pining over Euridice. *Yawns* So they tore him up and ate him instead. Only his head was preserved alive for posterity. I think Bono owns it now. Keeps it in a burlap sack. In the Shed.


Another sign of Pan is in the amount of words that are associated with him.
Go and look in a good etymological dictionary. There must be  . . oh, dozens?


Pan over the ages, has been optimised, utilised, and generally well used by those who have had his services.

His traditional "God of . . . " that he should put on his FB status is that of Shepherds, and their Flocks. I think it's quite telling that he is God of "Their Flocks" also. Why not just be the "God of the Shepherds"? Then the Shepherds can look to their own flocks.   
I think that this is an allegory, and that Pan as God of the Shepherds (The Mystery Cults and Godforms) and their flocks (Those who follow as Initiates) Otherwise, why has he been so universally and culturally kept on, as it were? Even Christianity wasn't above grabbing the Good Shepherd / Flock thing as soon as it was expedient.

But that kinda means that by using the symbolism of Pan's office, Jesus was submitting to Pan. And Pan franchised the Flock thing out to him, with the titles. And went back to his wild places for a bit of a break. (Apart from servicing Witches in the Groves at night with his Icy Devil's phallus, that is) Enter, Torquemada, a REAL Devil of a man.


Aleister Crowley understood the vastness and potential in Pan, and had quite a dynamic relationship with the Cloven Hoofed Hedge Hopper. His Hymn to Pan was rather universally adopted as an incantation, (Despite being every bit as awful as the rest of his poetry)
When he helped Gardner formulate the structure of Wicca, He was most insistent that Gardner keep Pan on in some form, for he must see (Crowley told him) that  Pan has always been "The God of the Witches". (He was a proper Troll, was Crowley. He's still Trolling his own followers today) Gardner was pretty quick to try and keep a distance from Crowley at the earliest opportunity (Funny how they all do that)  but it was too late for that!
In his fervour for a Religion of Witchcraft, he put himself in a pretty vulnerable position by trusting Crowley not to balls it up for whatever reasons. But it seems to be catching on now as the fastest growing religion of witchcraft in. . . .well, the US for sure. Maybe the World.

Patricia Crowther was also connected with Crowley at this time, but being a woman, she was probably pointedly ignored on matters of . . . .who knows, because he wasn't listening. She had a pretty good head on her shoulders for a broom buffer. In fact her Book "Lid off the Cauldron" is the only modern Witchcraft book that I have been able to read without accompanying hoots of derision, and a big bucket of STFU.

But for me, (Apart from Crowley) the most accessible and relevant modern treatise on Pan is Dion Fortunes fictional "The Goat Foot God". She was considered a real heavyweight by contemporaries including Crowley, both of whom were GD Initiates. She perfectly melded quabala and classical western tradition, with an intuitive thoroughness that laid out a lot of groundwork for pretty much all of today's neo groups, eclectics, Hermeticists, and Wiccans (And/or any other Wicca associated / franchised Witchcraft based syncretic Matriarchal Moon Cults etc)

Quietly relegated for much of the modern age as a Nature spirit, Pan has still managed to remain a a Powerful archetype in today's World. Peter Pan, Mr Tumnus, Bloody awful raucus Celtic Panpipe music, and last but not least, The Fear, and the Hoof and Horn and Horror of "Pan, the God of the Witches" (still can't get over that) was along with other bits of stolen cultural archetypes considered scary ass demonic based evil hellbound fiery or otherwise spooky, by simple early Christian Papists, was cobbled together in the most spurious and plagiarised hokey hoofened hornbrowed Pitchfork wielding fallen Angel of the Lord, who shall be the Great Deceiver on Earth, Prince of Lies, Adversary, Antichrist, and all in one Lord of Hellfire, *A big hand everyone*  heeeere's Satan!
Just a minute, (we say) I recognise those Cloven hooves, and that long wispy beard, and the Ram's horns! And *sniff* You smell kinda funny, Goat Boy . . . .   
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Edward Collett on March 17, 2012, 12:53:05 AM
Wow, very impressive Serp.  I've always had an interest in Pan, but have never taken the time to do the research you have so carefully compiled.  It makes me respect Pan a lot more to learn these things.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Firesong on March 17, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Wow... nothing more to say at this point.  Very impressive.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Arnemetia on March 18, 2012, 08:52:14 AM
Awesome posts Serp. 
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on March 23, 2012, 12:12:01 PM
Thanks folks. Will add to this as and when inspiration strikes.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: lucifer on September 24, 2012, 07:16:07 AM
I get what you told me now... Thanks for this thread, btw :-p
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 24, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
That is an incredible and thought provoking piece of work.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: lucifer on September 24, 2012, 10:59:33 AM
That is an incredible and thought provoking piece of work.
I doubt that the point is to think (or give thought) because thinking about this particular subject won't help you through the woods if you're lost in them... but I could be wrong :-p

::edit::
I'd be really surprised if this was supposed to be more than Serpentium's personal experience and thoughts about Pan which were learned (mostly) in the experience and (narrowly) from research done.

Very good read though... :D
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 24, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
I found it thought provoking!

It is someones interpretation and perspective which gives one pause for thought and contemplation. Indeed this is Serps experiences or thoughts, but by posting openly here, he has offered it up for others to take in and even should they choose, to mull over and maybe even discuss with him should they want to and he being willing. Its a spiritual journey that Serp has taken us on and I am impressed with his interpretation and literal ability.

If I was to get lost in the woods, have no fear for me in that respect. I simply call upon my bushcraft skills to get me through, no worries there.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: lucifer on September 24, 2012, 11:39:44 AM
It was thought provoking... I'll agree with that.

And yeah, Serpentium definitely has some serious talent both in writing and in spiritual venturings... :-p
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Post by: marisol on September 24, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
Yes Serp is very intelligent and I always enjoy his posts. Not a bad sense of humour either.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 24, 2012, 01:05:44 PM
And yeah, Serpentium definitely has some serious talent both in writing and in spiritual venturings... :-p
Yes Serp is very intelligent and I always enjoy his posts. Not a bad sense of humour either.

I have to say, I envy him that ability  ;) :)
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on September 24, 2012, 03:24:30 PM
Thanks everyone for your kind words. Here's a few more thoughts on the Panic. When Pan opens the way for you, it's like a switch has been thrown. (Or it is for me) You are suddenly filled with his current. You become a conduit, like an electrical component, plugged into a vast circuit. If you think of how electricity affects circuitry, then you can attune your resistance appropriately. If a fuse or other component has the wrong rating, there is a build up of resistance, until something gives way. Burns out. The state of Panic represents the current. The Fearô represents electrical resistance. And you are the component that will fry if you 'resist' the flow. Think "conduit" rather than "vessel".

Think of Pan as the switch, opening the way, like a sluice gate opens to let water flow through. You cannot swim upstream in a current like this. You can try if you want, but you don't have to. Your control in this place is arbitrary. An illusion you use that ties you to the mundane world. 

The Fearô is Pan, stripping away the illusion of control. Because this is his place. If you come to his gate, you need to be prepared for the opening. Leave your baggage behind before you try to pass. You can always pick it up again on your way back. Resistance is futile. It will drain you, then crush you. Conduct yourself correctly, and you will be bathed in grace. You will be stood at the fulcrum, the perfect point at the centre of everything. A place where action (karma) releases you from it's compulsion, and allows you to cast off your anchor points. Identity is swiftly carried away, and everything you knew gets smaller and smaller, eventually fading into a tiny pinhole sized point of light. Then, there is nothing. Darkness. A brief but definite ending of consciousness. There is only one word for this state. It's Death. Srsly.

Then everything rushes back, like a tide. But there is nothing here called 'you', or 'I'  yet you are all that there is. You are everywhere and everything. Every blade of grass, every grain of sand. Every forest leaf, every spark of life, all simultaneously lit up with one vast consciousness. There is no sense of identity, because there is no separation between any two parts of this universe.

It was at this point that I saw the Godhead. Pan? Nope. Jehovah? Nuh uh. Apollo? Zeus? Nope. I saw Krishna. His face, beaming down from the sky, like a thousand suns. In a chariot and everything. Love, pumping out from him like a phat, all pervasive Bassline. Only then, did I begin to become a separate Identity again. Reborn, and as innocent as a baby.  Then a tiny little ego  began tagging my surroundings, making new anchor points, and growing a new identity for me. (Because identity is important to mundane existence) But this one was aware of things on a perceptive level previously unknown. it had the same memories and stuff (I presume) as the old, dead one, but it was metaphorically hooked up to the Fat Pipe.

It all gets really existential when you try to set down any epiphany in words. Because sufficient words don't exist yet  to carry such subjective ideas. Words can only echo the experience, but if you're quick, you can tune some part of yourself before the echo fades.

Why Krisna? Because it turned out I was at a Temple of Krisna experiencing all the above. It was Pan who took me there though, made the necessary connections for me. I realise it could just as easily have been any other God / Goddess and been just as valid. I've since then been in enough other Houses and Temples to realise there really is only one ******* (I hesitate to use the word "God" because it carries too much emotional aggregate to convey what I mean) and the masks it wears to show itself are no more than mirrors, reflecting the echoes of the divine inside ourselves.

Maybe. It all gets fuzzy and confusing, because Maya, or illusion rules down here, and she doesn't want us to wake from her dream. Or even to realise it IS a dream. So shhh, go back to sleep. Forget you even saw me, OK? 


Give me the sign of the open eye, and the token erect of thorny thigh,and the world of madness & mystery,to me-to me-to me to-me......
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 24, 2012, 04:06:33 PM
Serpentium

I am in awe of your insight and your ability to commit to words what you bring from deep within yourself.

These words reach inside and touch, nay, stir some thing primal within me. Its like something from the beginning reaching out and awakening some hereditary memory long since forgotten.

I would ask your permission to print these passages? My intention is not to publish, copy or distribute them in any way, but so I can read them as one whole, and to return to it again.

My blessings upon you and your gift.


::Edit; to correct spelling mistake
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on September 24, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
Help yourself Mate. Glad you liked it.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 24, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
 :) Muchos Gracias :)

Appreciated
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Post by: Aunt Thora on September 25, 2012, 06:44:52 AM
Serpentium;  your just plain good.  I love reading your post as I learn something each time, and importantly something about myself good or bad as it may be.
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Post by: marisol on September 25, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
Thanks Serp. I love it when you post about Pan. ;)
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Post by: searching on October 19, 2012, 10:06:46 AM
My reading of this feels very well timed. I was just pondering on the choice of a patron god as I still generally pray to the Christian/Abrahamic God that I grew up praying too. I no longer find this fitting considering my leaving of the Christian path. I concur with your explanation of one god with many masks it uses to show itself. After this reading I will definitely be considering Pan as an option. I cant recall who but someone mentioned in response about getting lost in the woods...to paraphrase something I recently heard...Never be afraid to get lost and especially don't be afraid to like it. I think we all, especially myself, could benefit from getting lost in the woods on occasion if only to revel in its beauty and learn something of ourselves by finding our way back again.
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Post by: Rowanmarie on December 03, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
I found this very thought provoking. While have wanting to search pan for a long time and my laziness to do so (shame on me) I really enjoyed this post.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: marisol on December 04, 2012, 02:33:04 PM
Pan is a cool guy, and Serp does him so well.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on December 15, 2012, 02:42:58 PM
Well and good, people. I thought I'd stick my head around the door, see how things are going, and this thread seems to be my most worthy and promising baby at the moment.  I see there have been, as I type this, 620 people having had a poke around in here, one of them being your good self. So, at the risk of sounding nosy, Wassup? What are you looking for in here?

Why, out of all the threads here on Wicca, and Witchcraft, and whatever, are you looking in on this wild and unforgiving place? There's nothing of structure here, no set of directions that might suddenly show you something of this "Wicca" that I hear so much of in this place. I can say with all conviction here, that I don't really buy into Wicca myself. That's not to say there's nothing of any value in it, it's just not my bag, baby. "path".

I know how you all put much emphasis upon paths, so why has your path brought you in here? Is there one of the mysteries that I brought to this thread that intrigues you? Something you think might have some bearing upon your own path? Because if so, then you should take a little pause to define exactly; 


A /What you are seeking here,
B/ Why you think it's in this, least of Wiccan places, and
C/ Whether to proceed any further, or return to the more orthodox parts of this site.


Because one thing is for certain, you'll get no straight answers in here from me. I'm not any kind of Sphinx, riddler, or Priest with answers to your questions. I'm under no oath, vow or geas that compels me to show or tell you anything.


I do have secrets, but you can't make me tell them. Even if I wanted to, I still couldn't tell you any secrets. Note that I say "couldn't", not "wouldn't". If you came here wanting secrets from me, then you clearly don't understand the nature of secrets.


Wicca makes much of it's emphasis on nature, on the nature of things. So how is that going? Are things any clearer since you decided upon Wicca? Do you see the natural order of things any better now? Because I have to say, no religion I ever looked into (and correct me if I'm wrong, but Wicca IS a religion) provided any clarity on our so called nature. In fact, most of them seem to deliberately obfuscate what little understanding of nature people might arrive with.


Pan is sometimes called "Nature's God" and while this is perfectly correct, it also suggests many things that might mislead the unwary, or those labouring under the mappings of religion and it's dogma. Yes, you can see Pan sometimes in the strangest of unexpected places, even in the Holiest places of the Christians, or the Muslims. But you are also just as likely to see him in even those darkest of shrines to human nature, like the ovens of Buchenwald. And I say this because when Pan is understood, and his all encompassing dynamic is evident before you, things really do become incredibly simple.


INCREDIBLE; <Lacking any sign of credibilty, or validity. Defying belief or reason>   


SIMPLE; <Lacking complexity, basic, or primary in a form that builds upon itself to make structures of greater diversity>


Try thinking of him as "God's Nature" instead. It's just as much his dynamic as any other. He has other names and forms for other cultures as well, but the Arcadian Pan is his most puissant and complete form.


I brought Pan to this thread in a functionary or practical form for a reason. Yes, he is an extremely powerful and cthonic archetype, more terrible and awful than any Sumerian Demon God, like Ba'al, or Moloch, who are just facets of his all-ness. Those facets tend to inspire men into worship, simply because they see part of their own divinity there. And that's not any reason to bring Pan into anything.


That isn't Pan's function. If you want a God to worship, then go and pick one of the other ones. There are enough of them out there demanding your worship and fealty, pick one of them, if you would come to  k no w  Gods.


Pan's useful and practical function, the one that I invoked aspect of in this thread, is as an opener, or a remover of obstacles. A clearing of the way, or Gatekeeper, Ward, or Guard, so in this aspect, he may also be Papa Legba, or Lord Ganeshi. Or even the Angel set to guard Eden from us re-entering, with his fiery sword. Any keeper of a boundary, there is Pan.


I shall now leave you with a nod towards that most obvious and easiest of boundary markers, and one that has always been close to the Arcadian ideal of Pan.


You still find them around the places that we grow and cultivate our food, and beyond them, is the Wild. The unworked raw stuff of this nature we were discussing. So if you have an idea what I mean, then by all means, drop it here, and I'll be back in a day or two. Or ten. Or even a year. But iI will be back here with more starry wisdom at some point, I promise, 'kay?
 





Title: Re: Pan
Post by: marisol on December 15, 2012, 10:29:59 PM
I'll be back.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Aunt Thora on December 16, 2012, 03:44:21 AM
Serpentium
   I have and do enjoy your posting's  You might not come out and answer any questions, but your posting i have found thought provoking; and worthy of research.  So my reason for being here is to read what new you have posted; not for inspiration, not to be lead down any path, or to follow one, but for the knowledge. but more simply put cause I enjoy reading your post's.
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Post by: Draconis Rex on December 16, 2012, 05:00:08 AM
I would go along with Theyd's post. I feel if someone is prepared to put so much thought into their writing, then it should be at the very least rewarded by the reading and due appreciation of the work. You have a great talent my friend and I too enjoy reading your musings.

You may feel that what you write gives no answers, but it does open the mind and poses interesting points to mull over.

Thank you again.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: marisol on December 16, 2012, 03:04:34 PM
Serp who doesn't wonder what is beyond the tree line and want to wander in the wild perchance
to meet all that is there without fear. This is a difficult task to overcome the fear that Pan can
cause us to feel, but once past this we survive by grace. I have experienced grace in the brightness of the sun rise and the cool stillness of night.

It is said still that Pan died long ago. But that is not so. He still survives in the wild that is left. He
is still the hunter, the teacher of shepards, the caretaker of all that live in the wild. The maker
of music, lover of beauty, and terrifying foe.

Your writing of your experience with Pan and the fear he represents inspires us all. To know
anothers experiences gives hope.

You know I adore your writing dearest. I would hear more if you choose to continue.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: marisol on December 21, 2012, 09:41:32 AM
Serp who doesn't wonder what is beyond the tree line and want to wander in the wild perchance
to meet all that is there without fear. This is a difficult task to overcome the fear that Pan can
cause us to feel, but once past this we survive by grace. I have experienced grace in the brightness of the sun rise and the cool stillness of night.

It is said still that Pan died long ago. But that is not so. He still survives in the wild that is left. He
is still the hunter, the teacher of shepards, the caretaker of all that live in the wild. The maker
of music, lover of beauty, and terrifying foe. Is he not all that we fear and sometimes want?

Your writing of your experience with Pan and the fear he represents inspires us all. To know
anothers experiences gives hope.

You know I adore your writing dearest. I would hear more if you choose to continue.
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Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Arnemetia on December 27, 2012, 11:42:45 AM
I know how you all put much emphasis upon paths, so why has your path brought you in here? Is there one of the mysteries that I brought to this thread that intrigues you? Something you think might have some bearing upon your own path? Because if so, then you should take a little pause to define exactly; 


I come here to learn.  Perhaps your words open up possibilities I have not seen before.  You paint a picture with words that make it simpler for me to visualize, a guided meditation, if you will.  Thank you Serp.
Title: Re: Pan
Post by: Serpentium on February 25, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
Thanks Arn.



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