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Title: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: thevoicesofheartie on September 17, 2012, 05:20:37 AM
Hi guys alll !!!

Do you know about the book " Summoning spirits " of Konstantinos author ? Do you summon any spirit in his suggesting list ?

I've been trying his exercises and I'm really eager for doing this ! If you guys did it then could you share any experience ?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 06:40:16 AM
Until you are well versed in the practice and can safely contain the spirit don't summon it . They are not here to serve us. Also you never know the nature of a spirit , it could be the spirit of and ancester who you loved but that does not mean it still loves you .
 
There is and old saying " don't call forth anything that may be able to call forth something down upon you ".
 
Another thing to think of  Konstantinos  is first and foremost a writer and a good story teller . So do not take everything you read as truth no matter how good it sound. Read more then one author and practice slowly , remember speed kills .
 
Take care in all you do and do it in safety ,
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 06:56:41 AM
Until you are well versed in the practice and can safely contain the spirit don't summon it . They are not here to serve us. Also you never know the nature of a spirit , it could be the spirit of and ancester who you loved but that does not mean it still loves you .
 
There is and old saying " don't call forth anything that may be able to call forth something down upon you ".
 
Another thing to think of  Konstantinos  is first and foremost a writer and a good story teller . So do not take everything you read as truth no matter how good it sound. Read more then one author and practice slowly , remember speed kills .
 
Take care in all you do and do it in safety ,

                               ^^^DEFINATELY THIS ^^^

Not something I would consider!!!

Fixed that for you.  ~ C_A
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Aunt Thora on September 17, 2012, 07:19:56 AM
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Do you know about the book " Summoning spirits " of Konstantinos author ?

personally I do not know of this guy or book.  But do take heed.  unless you are very sure and feel strong enough do not summon any spirits.   Please listen to the others.

I have to say reading
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I've been trying his exercises and I'm really eager for doing this !
Made my heart sink.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 07:40:15 AM
Ok voicesoftheheartie

I'm going to jump right in here because I think you need to be told straight with no messing about!

In your introduction you told us all you were a newbie. Since you are new then you should not be messing about with any spells or raising of spirits or anything else like this at all!!! GREAT BIG NO NO!!

There is a lot to be learned about our ways, a lot to be understood, and a lot of training to be done. You are simply not ready for any of this yet. Without understanding and training you could do something that could do SERIOUS HARM TO YOU or maybe even someone else (possibly someone close to you)

Most of us complete at least the traditional "year and a day" of studying and learning before even trying minor things. Personally I have been information gathering for years and I still haven't tried a spell.

Look; What I'm trying to tell you here is that, None of us here want to hear about you getting harmed because of a lack of understanding, and for myself I would feel terrible if I said nothing and let you get on with it.

I'm asking you person to person, please, please stop trying to jump ahead, and put a lot more of your energies into learning and studying!!!
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: lucifer on September 17, 2012, 07:50:53 AM
We all make mistakes, we all fall. Hopefully, we learn from the mistake but if the fall wasn't hard enough we might not... maybe thevoicesfheartie needs to make this mistake... maybe it's exactly what he needs to be able to learn :-p
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: naturalpaganmomma on September 17, 2012, 07:57:42 AM
I would tread very lightly before summoning anything. I'm a total novice myself, but my character being such as it is I do not believe I would try to summon anything even if I was experienced unless it was an emergency of dire proportions.

Calling upon dead ancestors for guidance, protection, and strength is one thing. I have done that. Summoning that which is totally unfamiliar to you is something else. Is there a particular reason why you need to summon, or do you merely wish to do it to see if you can?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 08:29:24 AM
In the main , nothing could happen to you at all but there are others that can be harmed and worse.
 
Some how the theme of learn through pain seem to be a big problem with you lucifer , just because they did it to you don't preach it to others .
 
If you will not help , then you hinder .
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: thevoicesofheartie on September 17, 2012, 08:37:49 AM
Ok voicesoftheheartie

I'm going to jump right in here because I think you need to be told straight with no messing about!

In your introduction you told us all you were a newbie. Since you are new then you should not be messing about with any spells or raising of spirits or anything else like this at all!!! GREAT BIG NO NO!!

There is a lot to be learned about our ways, a lot to be understood, and a lot of training to be done. You are simply not ready for any of this yet. Without understanding and training you could do something that could do SERIOUS HARM TO YOU or maybe even someone else (possibly someone close to you)

Most of us complete at least the traditional "year and a day" of studying and learning before even trying minor things. Personally I have been information gathering for years and I still haven't tried a spell.

Look; What I'm trying to tell you here is that, None of us here want to hear about you getting harmed because of a lack of understanding, and for myself I would feel terrible if I said nothing and let you get on with it.

I'm asking you person to person, please, please stop trying to jump ahead, and put a lot more of your energies into learning and studying!!!

Thank you Draconic :) Thank you for your advise ! I know that it's dangerous without understanding carefully about it

But did I ask anything just like " I've been trying so many summoning spell and they didn't work" ? I said I was newbie but I didn't say I was newbie and I have started casting spells or calling forth spirits.

Just take it easy  :( I've never summoned anything and cast any spell !!! All I've been doing is reading all the things that I've got.My purpose of asking this is just wanting to know how your experience was and what do you guys know about this book and this book is also good for newbie, right ? I understand you !!! You're so right ! I have to be careful . Don't think that I'm backtalking :P I just say what I'm thinking. Anyway ! Thank you !

Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: thevoicesofheartie on September 17, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
Until you are well versed in the practice and can safely contain the spirit don't summon it . They are not here to serve us. Also you never know the nature of a spirit , it could be the spirit of and ancester who you loved but that does not mean it still loves you .
 
There is and old saying " don't call forth anything that may be able to call forth something down upon you ".
 
Another thing to think of  Konstantinos  is first and foremost a writer and a good story teller . So do not take everything you read as truth no matter how good it sound. Read more then one author and practice slowly , remember speed kills .
 
Take care in all you do and do it in safety ,

I understand ! Thanks so much !!! :)
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: thevoicesofheartie on September 17, 2012, 08:43:12 AM
We all make mistakes, we all fall. Hopefully, we learn from the mistake but if the fall wasn't hard enough we might not... maybe thevoicesfheartie needs to make this mistake... maybe it's exactly what he needs to be able to learn :-p

We all learn from the mistake ;)
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
Have never read his book but did watch a TV interview about his works  , came off as the Fabio of the occult , all he tried to do was sell his book s.
 
I have summomed spirits of friends and family that have passed , never did I feel anything but a great sadness from them . Maybe I did it to soon after they passed but I felt like I was making them even sadder .
 
I wanted to know things and I was sad , it never accured to me that they to could still feel the hurt and sadness of their passing . So after the last time 36 years ago I have never done it again .
 
Read as much as you can . Good luck
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: lucifer on September 17, 2012, 10:55:47 AM
Some how the theme of learn through pain seem to be a big problem with you lucifer , just because they did it to you don't preach it to others .
 
If you will not help , then you hinder .
Work through pain, learn something about yourself and about life. Pain exists for a reason - it lets you know that there's a problem. In my opinion letting someone make their own mistakes isn't a hinderance... trying to keep them from making mistakes that they could learn from is.

::edit::
I understand warning someone about making what you see as being a mistake, but attempting to persuade them not to do it stepping on their ability to make mistakes and learn from them.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 17, 2012, 11:05:56 AM
I leave spirits alone and they leave me alone.

Eta: Summoning the wrong one could be bad for your health.  I advise against it.  lucifer, you gonna be there for her if a pissed off Loki shows up?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 11:14:15 AM
Thank you Draconic :) Thank you for your advise ! I know that it's dangerous without understanding carefully about it

But did I ask anything just like " I've been trying so many summoning spell and they didn't work" ? I said I was newbie but I didn't say I was newbie and I have started casting spells or calling forth spirits.

Just take it easy  :( I've never summoned anything and cast any spell !!! All I've been doing is reading all the things that I've got.My purpose of asking this is just wanting to know how your experience was and what do you guys know about this book and this book is also good for newbie, right ? I understand you !!! You're so right ! I have to be careful . Don't think that I'm backtalking :P I just say what I'm thinking. Anyway ! Thank you !

Ok Thevoicesofheartie, It would seem I have misread some of your post, in which case I owe you my apologies  :(  You have also put my mind at ease also.  :)

I've been trying his exercises and I'm really eager for doing this ! If you guys did it then could you share any experience ?

This was where I mistook your post (the part thats bold and underlined). So..... Sorry about that. It was merely out of concern for your welfare that I felt I should jump in. I would hope that if I was doing something wrong someone would do the same thing for me.  :-[

I am glad all you are doing at the moment is reading, it is the way forward and everyone here encourages much reading to gain understanding.  ;) As was said earlier though, don't stick to one authors ideals, read several authors about the same subject then you can formulate your own understanding.

I wish you well in your studies.  ;D
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
I leave spirits alone and they leave me alone.

Eta: Summoning the wrong one could be bad for your health.  I advise against it.

The only spirits that are good to mess with are spirits that come in bottled form, usually with a picture of a Scottish castle on it.

And again don't summon order the wrong one  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 17, 2012, 12:02:46 PM
If you have any doubts about being able to control whatever shows up, I wouldn't do it.

Eta:  It is easy to give advice when you are not the person that could end up insane or worse.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: lucifer on September 17, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
If you have any doubts about being able to control whatever shows up, I wouldn't do it.

Eta:  It is easy to give advice when you are not the person that could end up insane or worse.
Have you ever seen an afterschool special "Don't do drugs, kids!" show or talked to one of the people who spreads these messages for a living?

Ok, so that being said most kids have probably have heard this and most kids have probably ignored it when the first friend who they trust comes along with a bag of pot.

It doesn't make sense to try and deter someone from making mistakes. People will make mistakes, and what they need to know is that regardless of the mistake made that someone will be there to help them up if they fall.

It's enough to warn someone that what they're doing is a mistake... It shows a lot of character that you care enough to do this, but you should also be willing to help the person out if they make the mistake regardless of your warning.


That being said, I would also recommend that you not summon any spirits because even the friendliest looking spirits can be pretty nasty in person.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 17, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
It does make sense to deter people when they can get hurt from it.  Would you tell your child to touch a hot stove?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 01:14:07 PM
At the end of the day, if somebody is determined to do something, then most times they are going to go right ahead and do it. I would not have felt right if I hadn't said something. As it turns out, because I did say something I was shown to be wrong in my thinking of the post, the lad was hypothesising and everything got cleared up. I think as a bonus, he has also been made a little more aware from others just how careful he has to be, if in future he does considers performing anything.

I am happy to have been proven wrong, knowing that all is good.
I am content.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Willingly letting someone putting themselves in danger and tell them later that they should think of it as a lesson in life is the same as if you where the one to harm them.
 
Would you go up to someone and punch them in the face , then tell see that hurt so don't get into a fight .
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: marisol on September 17, 2012, 01:23:23 PM
Luci I'm sorry but that is the most stupid advice to give someone new to this site. I've been a
nocturnal witch for a long while and I have never summoned a spirit or entity. The spirits aren't
summoning me so I don't summon them. I would have to have an extremely good reason before
I would bother them. It's absolutely ridiculous to tell someone go ahead make a huge mistake
you'll learn something. Are you trying to guide thevoicesofheartie? Have you summoned a spirit?

Thevoicesofheartie the book and author you are speaking of is writing about the Occult. You are
not ready for that. Put it away for some time in the future. After you can be sure you know what
you are doing. Study with the God and Goddess for a while, learn from them, let them guide you.
Blessings to you sweetie. A big mistake is not the way to start your path.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 01:24:58 PM
This part is for Draconis , you are a very delusional person , THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE BEST SPIRITS COME FROM THE INSIDE OF A BOTTLE OF IRISH WHISKEY , THE NECTAR OF PAGANS , DRUID , WITCHES AND BABES.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: lucifer on September 17, 2012, 01:36:31 PM
It does make sense to deter people when they can get hurt from it.  Would you tell your child to touch a hot stove?
I would tell my children not to touch a hot stove, I would tell them that it was hot. However, if they wanted to do this I couldn't stop them because that would require me to hover over them 24 hours a day to make sure that they were listening. This would equate to me living their lives for them, which I believe is wrong. It's a mistake to touch a hot stove, but if they're old enough to learn that a stove is hot then it's their mistake to make.
Would you go up to someone and punch them in the face , then tell see that hurt so don't get into a fight .
... wtf is this even supposed to mean?
It's absolutely ridiculous to tell someone go ahead make a huge mistake
you'll learn something. Are you trying to guide thevoicesofheartie? Have you summoned a spirit?
I wasn't telling thevoicesofheartie to go ahead and make his mistakes so much as I was suggesting that Draconis Rex not get so invested in trying to stop him... I'm not trying to guide thevoicesofheartie.

And I have summoned a spirit, it was with me constantly for close to 12 years and it still sometimes talks to me (it's not actual words... it uses emotions and symbolism to communicate)... bad, bad stuff... I wouldn't recommend that anyone do it, but it's not my place to try and stop them if they should choose to ignore the warnings.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 01:45:08 PM
This part is for Draconis , you are a very delusional person , THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE BEST SPIRITS COME FROM THE INSIDE OF A BOTTLE OF IRISH WHISKEY , THE NECTAR OF PAGANS , DRUID , WITCHES AND BABES.

Oh my dear OldGhost, I must conceed your vicinity, but not your proximity... Travel just a little further to the east and you will come to a SCOTTISH island by the name of Islay, I'm sure you have heard of it as some of the finest whisky comes from there.

If Irish whisky is indeed the finest, then why is it that so many countries of the world (particularly USA) call it "Scotch"? and not "Irish"?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: marisol on September 17, 2012, 02:26:25 PM
Luci dear if you had such an experience why not tell the person asking about summoning spirits?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: lucifer on September 17, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
Luci dear if you had such an experience why not tell the person asking about summoning spirits?
The OP of this thread asked a specific question which I couldn't answer ``yes'' to. It didn't occur to me that offering him my personal experience with summoning was relevent. I've never heard of the author that he mentioned and I'm pretty sure that noone would recommend summoning the spirit that I did.

So at thevoicesofheartie, I had a spirit following me for close to 12 years, and he wasn't pleasant at all. I managed to get it here but getting rid of it I just couldn't seem to do (I still think it's around here, it just doesn't speak to me as often as it used to). It was supposed to be a source of power and wisdom - A point from which I could gain strength and knowledge, it ended up being a spiritual torment that would not let me have any peace.

I can't say that all summoning experiences would work out like mine did, but I can say that you should at least be prepared for the consequences before inviting a spirit entity (any of them... it doesn't matter if it looks good in the book, don't trust what's written to be true) into this world.

::edit::
This response is not intended to discourage anyone from attempting to summon spirits, it's simply meant as an example of what might happen if you don't know exactly what you're doing.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: marisol on September 17, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
Thank-you!
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 17, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
Summoning spirits at such a young age?  I thought you were a very active hardcore Christian at the time.  What would prompt you to go against the religion you thought so much of lucifer?  Summoning spirits isn't a very Christian like thing to do, is it?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: lucifer on September 17, 2012, 05:21:59 PM
Fundamentalist Bible-basher and Christian are contradictory statements. I wasn't really what you could call a Christian, but I did absolutely use the words in the Bible (the old testament, mostly) as a weapon.

Think about it like this: The Crusaders knew the sixth commandment - "Thou shalt not kill"... we all probably know what they did.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 05:23:08 PM
Draconis , thems fight words . But being a kind a gentle person I well let it slide after you send me a case eack of  Ladavulin and Bowmore , if not Ireland shall start invasion plans , not only we'll we take your whiskey but your women too. :-p
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 05:30:18 PM
Calm yourself all the voices in luci head weren't really there , he just thinks they were, a good excuse to get away with been a bad bad boy . Of course there is always the other excuse   ....the devil made him do it.............
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 17, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
OG, The women you can have, they're getting too bossy anyway!   :-p
The whisky? Well now that's a different story.... >:(

However;  If I might suggest, I have ordered a round at the TI Tavern, and if you would care to join me there we could continue to toast Stonefaces good news and discuss our whisky issues further.  :)
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 17, 2012, 06:19:53 PM
Done deal , see ya there.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Snake-Man on September 23, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
Hmm...I have a few books by Konstantinos ("Nocturnal Witchcraft"; "Gothic Grimoire"; "Nocturnicon"; "Speak With The Dead: Seven Methods For Spirit Communication"), but I have not heard of the "Summoning Spirits" one yet.  Might be something I'll have to check out.



And, for those that are surprised to see me posting...I am still here.  Lurking in the shadows.
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 23, 2012, 03:18:53 PM
Sorta , like a Snake in the grass ::) .
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Snake-Man on September 23, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Sorta , like a Snake in the grass ::) .

 :-p   ;)
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 23, 2012, 03:58:27 PM
Good to see ya dude :)
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: Arnemetia on September 27, 2012, 08:37:36 AM


And, for those that are surprised to see me posting...I am still here.  Lurking in the shadows.

Hey there Snakey.  How are ya?
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: oldghost on September 28, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
Snaky , you need to be here more often , okay dude. 8) .
Title: Re: About " Summoning spirit " - Konstantinos
Post by: C_A on October 05, 2012, 05:49:06 AM
There's a saying in law school about witness examination:  "Never EVER ask a witness a question that you don't know the answer to".

og said it best.  Never summon anything you can't control.

And I don't care if it is someone that has been doing it for fifteen minutes or fifteen years.  It's still the same.