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Title: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Fluffy1 on May 12, 2013, 08:07:51 AM
Every once in a while I'll come by a spell or ritual (mostly in movies but also occasionally on the net) that invokes "the power of three times three". Can someone tell me if this is a true feature of Wicca or is it Hollywood creative license?

If it is real, what does it refer to? Is there some special magical significance to the number nine or is it referring to three practitioners each manifesting and embodying the power of the triple goddess. It's an interesting phrase and I'd love to learn the origin and meaningful it.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Benjamin on May 12, 2013, 08:32:41 AM
In all the research I have ever done the "invoking the power of three times three" in spell and rituals is just Hollywood bleeding through.  Hollywood took this idea from a section in the Wiccan Rede that said "Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good." it refers to your karma.  Hollywood made the saying "the power of three times three" popular in the movie The Craft.  BUT the phrase can be used in spells and rituals in reference to the triple goddess for Karma, like in the Rede, or for what ever you think it will fit in for.   :)
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Fluffy1 on May 12, 2013, 09:55:08 AM
Many thanks Benjamin! It's not always easy separating truth from fiction.

-Blessings
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Firesong on May 12, 2013, 10:50:48 AM
In all the research I have ever done the "invoking the power of three times three" in spell and rituals is just Hollywood bleeding through.  Hollywood took this idea from a section in the Wiccan Rede that said "Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good." it refers to your karma.  Hollywood made the saying "the power of three times three" popular in the movie The Craft.  BUT the phrase can be used in spells and rituals in reference to the triple goddess for Karma, like in the Rede, or for what ever you think it will fit in for.   :)

Erm... what triple goddess for Karma...? ... or did you miss a comma...? 
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 12, 2013, 12:11:05 PM
Fluffy there is a list of recommended books for those starting out. It. is in this section
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Fluffy1 on May 12, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
Thanks Marisol! I'll check it out.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Firesong on May 12, 2013, 05:02:30 PM
All I know is that "the power of three" was from "Charmed" I think...
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 12, 2013, 05:15:03 PM
Yeah I feel like I'm on TV. ;D
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Post by: edens garden on May 12, 2013, 05:49:30 PM
Yeah I feel like I'm on TV. ;D

Dibs Piper!
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Draconis Rex on May 12, 2013, 06:02:54 PM
I prefer the power of 4 X 4..... gets through most road conditions with very little trouble!  :-p ;D
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 12, 2013, 06:23:54 PM
The animals went 2x2 to the Arc.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 12, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
The rose bushes in my front yard grow 3-4 ft tall by 3-4 ft wide.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Draconis Rex on May 12, 2013, 06:39:57 PM
Roger that good lady, you're comin' in 5 X 5
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 12, 2013, 06:42:56 PM
No one rlse wants to be a charmed one with me??

I mean, I know I dibs'd Leo, but come on!
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Draconis Rex on May 12, 2013, 06:53:22 PM
I can't even remember which one is which (or is that Witch is Witch :-p )
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 12, 2013, 07:06:24 PM
I can't even remember which one is which (or is that Witch is Witch :-p )

Just know I dibs' d the one who gets the guy and has babies. Which should surprise no one.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 12, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
You know a guy that had babes , that medical hookum .
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Draconis Rex on May 13, 2013, 02:19:20 AM
 ;D ;D ;D  You asked for that EG  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 13, 2013, 10:47:45 AM
 We have the whole series on DVD's. They belong to my brother...no nothing wrong with him, he
likes to look at the women. Or I should say at how little clothing they wear. I think he's drawn to witches. Yes I have watched them, not a bad plot and some are funny. I love the house and it's better than watching documentaries about World War II. Leo is not bad on the eyes either.

This is a secret guys, so lets not tell everyone. Shhhh!
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Aunt Thora on May 13, 2013, 03:15:44 PM
me too Marisol have the series on DVD.  Have been watching a series called the secret circle.  But like any of that stuff it's just entertainment.   
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: alyceavary on May 13, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
The house really is in San Francisco.......from the pics posted by a Charmed fan group on FB (that sells Charmed products), it is for sale.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 13, 2013, 06:58:38 PM
Now who can I get to buy that house for me? :-\
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: alyceavary on May 13, 2013, 07:46:22 PM
Perhaps we could all pitch in together......lol I always felt like Piper........but I guess I could be Phoebe or even Paige with my red hair.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 13, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
Who get the master bedroom , or is this a share thing  ;D .
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 13, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
Who get the master bedroom , or is this a share thing  ;D .

Piper and Leo, obviously!  Which in this case means me and my boyfriend
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 13, 2013, 08:47:25 PM
Have you no respect for your elders , Mari and me , oh you do know it is selling for 4.5 million . How much you going to put down  :-p
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 13, 2013, 09:42:21 PM
I suppose not  ;)
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 13, 2013, 09:46:13 PM
Get a  nice bottle of wine and cuddle up with him . Enjoy what you have , if something is ment for you you'll know when you see it.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 13, 2013, 10:43:14 PM
Get a  nice bottle of wine and cuddle up with him . Enjoy what you have , if something is ment for you you'll know when you see it.

We've been together seven years, a third of my life. I got lucky and found the right man extremely early on. Which makes everything sound much easier than it was, but still I'm blessed to have him.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 13, 2013, 10:48:35 PM
Bet ya he feel the same .............hay that means he was messing with you when you were 14 that perv  ;D
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 13, 2013, 10:58:44 PM
Bet ya he feel the same .............hay that means he was messing with you when you were 14 that perv  ;D

Well, to be fair to him he was only sixteen, we weren't really a couple for another six months and the first two and a half years after that were long distance. So by the time any fooling started I was sixteen and a half and able to consent in my home state  :)  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 13, 2013, 11:01:33 PM
Okay I believe you  ;) ;) .
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Draconis Rex on May 13, 2013, 11:13:45 PM
Shouldn't that have been in the "Shocking Secret & Fuuny Gossip About Others" thread?? :o :o
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: edens garden on May 13, 2013, 11:25:54 PM
I guess I've forgetten newer people don't know I met a boy on the internet when I was fourteen and we are still together haha. Oh how time flies!
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Draconis Rex on May 13, 2013, 11:29:13 PM
Lucky you EG, Glad it worked out well for you both  ;)

And long may it last.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on May 14, 2013, 01:31:56 AM
I can tell you it has lasted long the some marriage have by several years . Hope you two grow old together . Best wishes .
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: marisol on May 14, 2013, 12:44:15 PM
We'll let EG and her boyfriend (Piper and Leo) have the master bedroom, since Aly ( Paige) has red hair she gets Paiges room, which looks really nice. Since I've always loved Phoebe's room
I'll take that one. Since there may be more than just 3 people living there, that makes the cuts smaller. I'm sure I've got a couple million in savings.

I love San Francisco. Fantasy is fun. If only it were real.

EG I think he LOVES you. You lucky girl.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: Fluffy1 on May 14, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
I guess I'm stuck in the basement with the weird shadow monster. :(

EG that's really awesome about you and your boyfriend. My wife and I were highschool sweethearts too. I was 17 and she was 15 when we went on our first date. Almost 20 years later, I'm more in love with her than ever. And she gives me more reasons everyday to fall in love all over again. We've grown up together and she'll always be my best friend. you're right, it is such a blessing to have found the one so young. May you have many happy years ahead.

-blessings!
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: arrowolf on December 15, 2017, 09:04:41 PM
I don't know if that is what you call it. I employ that method especially with spell/ritual concerning Karma. For me, I have always called it the rule of 3x3 or 3 by 3. One 3 is for the three fold law and the other 3 is specific to the reason for the spell/ritual. I like to work with the numbers 3 and 9. Been doing it that way since 93 (before either the craft or charmed). The numbers just have significance for me. 93 was the year I began my journey. 9+3 gives you the month I was born and 9*3 gives you the day. May not be significant for everyone. Any insight from others?

Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: blue on January 04, 2018, 11:02:55 PM

 I haven't gone back to re-read the thread from the start but i've heard of the law of threefold return. Back in the day they used to say that "what goes around comes around". The biblical texts talk about "bread cast upon the water". Ask a scientist, and he/she might talk about "the principle of cause & effect".

 To me: It just seems like different people talking about the same basic idea. Each has their own particular way of talking about it.

 One might say that what you put out there is what comes back to you. If talking about threefold return it might be that what you put out there returns to affect you in body,mind, and spirit. If that's true then we want to be the best people we can be because we will all pay for our sins in this lifetime. Bad things do happen to good people but for the most part we create our own environment. It can be a good life or a crappy life. It's all in the choices we make.

 Karma seems like a different idea. It's more about reincarnation. The idea is that we are intended to grow and evolve from one lifetime to the next. Good Karma or bad Karma are things that we carry with us from one lifetime to the next. They can help or hinder us in the growth and evolution of our spirit to it's highest form. No opinion on that one .... gonna have to wait till i die to see if anything is waiting on the other side.

 If you're talking about the POWER of three that's an entirely different thing. Maybe that's a Wiccan thing ? It only takes three to make a coven ? Just guessing but that would go back to early trad Wicca that maintained properly lineaged covens ? That might have more to do with correct governance within the coven in that they need at least three to constitute a quorum ?

 Anyway ... it's all just speculation and opinion on my part. Somebody else might look at it in an entirely different way.























Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: oldghost on January 07, 2018, 09:07:48 AM

The three fold return is new age fluffy stuff  and has no real historical evidence behind it . It goes on the false pretense that if your nice to others then nice they will be back , it's thinking like that , that gets people in trouble .


In Witchcraft it is not the three is all you need for a coven it is the old way of the passing on of the knowledge , Grandmother , daughter , granddaughter . Following the cycle anew when the granddaughter has kids and her mother would the be the grandmother when her mother died and with the life expectancy be around 40 -50 years for common folks it can take on the tri folded say of Crone , Mother , Maiden in a different light .


As for Karma well it is what you make of it , you are the ones who make your own karma because you are the ones who make up what is good , bad , right on wrong . If only bad things happen to bad people then how come this world is full rich evil people while good nice people struggle daily and live in conditions all over the world . That saying you'll pay for it in your next life doesn't work unless you are fully aware of the other live . Think on it this way if you get reincarnate to make amends then should you not be aware of it and aware of the people you harmed in the last live and help them in their new lives ?.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: blue on January 09, 2018, 06:07:56 AM

 ~ Just bouncing ideas around. ~

 Think it all the way through. We've both got lots of years behind us. As you start to get older you become more aware of the history of things. Eventually you make the connections and come to realize that there really is nothing new under the sun. It's all been said and done before in a hundred different ways. Ideas that are solid stand the test of time. Poor ideas come and go with the times.

 A lot of the New Age stuff really is just nonsense but some of it is stuff that's been around for thousands of years. It's just been re-branded and re-packaged in a different tradition.

 There's the biblical thing about bread cast upon the water.

 What about Daniel and the Lion's den ? That's a story about a guy living in a state of grace.

 Pick out a rich guy you know. Look at how his life unfolded in an objective way. Is he really all that well off or is he still paying the price of success ?

 You don't have to have lots of money to have a happy life. In fact ... sometimes all that material stuff is a hindrance to the growth & evolution of your spirit.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: arrowolf on January 09, 2018, 07:52:50 AM
Great points. Karma is subjective in that not all those who should get theirs do. There are quite a few people who get where they are by stepping on others. It will always be that way I guess, but seeking Karma is looking for some form of justice which is rather natural and been done for centuries in one form or another. You must understand that justice will come when it is time whether it be this life or the next.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: blue on January 11, 2018, 03:01:03 AM

 I tend to take my lessons from nature. There's a thing called natural law and survival of the fittest. I see it in play when i watch a murder of crows or a herd of deer. There are a few leaders (alphas) here and there and the rest are followers ( betas ). There's always a competition for resources and jockeying for status within the group. The leader's time at the top is quite limited. They're constantly under fire from younger members that want their leadership position. Eventually the leader becomes exhausted and falls victim to some young upstart that's just a little bit smarter or a little bit faster.

 It's really no different with humans. We're animals too.

 It's a sad truth, but people stepping on each other's heads is just part of the great competition that's life. That's the way it's supposed to be.

 One could argue that natural justice is dispensed to those who would seek to deny the law? They get what they deserve in life while others prosper ?

 I know .... it can be disturbing to look at things that way but what if it's the truth ?

 Mother nature is both cruel and kind.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: arrowolf on January 11, 2018, 09:31:25 AM
If I was to do a Karma rite or seek "karma justice", there are certain criteria that have to be met. As we have stated, there are people who will step on others to get their own way. There are leaders, politicians, business executives, and working class people who are like that, and you will get no perceived justice with them unless you become them. The idea of justice for me is very rare to seek in a ritual because there is a natural order of things and believing differently will lead to much disappointment. When I do it is because that person(s) have gone out of their way to do wrong and continue to do so on that person even when their goal as been met. Not only that, but their goal is more for your demise than their success. I believe, thus far have not been wrong, that a cry or rite of justice(generally called karma) can be done or sought in certain circumstances. Some could say that when they(persons doing wrong) go down that path there will be retribution as it is inevitable. That might very well be true. I guess a karma ritual could be simply classified as a testimony to the powers that be. What he/she/they(depending on your belief of authority) do from there is out of your hands. The important thing is that you have cleansed yourself of that negativity.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: blue on January 11, 2018, 03:26:13 PM

 I think i might understand somewhat. One might say that a ritual practice of the craft is an experience that one emerges from as a changed person. If one can release the negativity they can release the thing that is vexing the I self. In this case ... it would be a frustrated desire for justice ? Fix how one feels about a thing and it fixes the problem ? Balance is restored ?

 Imagine the harm that could come from holding on to a grudge. The stress could ruin one's health, pollute the mind with negativity, and poison the spirit. Turn it loose on the world through spell casting would surely invite a threefold return and the whole thing would just feed on itself.

 Definitely better to let it roll off your back than to feed energy into it.

 My approach is somewhat different. I've been in the business world for a couple of decades. You have to grow a thick skin or all of the hurts and injustices will drive you crazy. I aspire not to take the things that others say or do personally. For the most part, people always do the best that they're capable of. If they could do any differently than they would. They just don't know any better. They do all kinds of horrible ignorant things.

 If you avoid taking on the negativity then it can't torture you. It helps with maintaining balance & peace of mind. Keeps one on track with a minimum of unnecessary conflict. That way you can devote more energy into serving your people and making profit. In a highly competitive environment one can't afford the luxury of allowing distractions from one's purpose.
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: arrowolf on January 11, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
I have been in the business world myself. The saying goes that business is business and nothing more, so you have to be thick skinned. I always try to overlook things. Then you have those who make things personal and seek to do harm to you(not necessarily meaning physically). There is collateral damage which is a part of business, but it is different when someone goes out of their way and makes it continuous whether it is work or in personal life. Then I request aid in dealing with the situation. That being said, I have only done it 3 times in 25 years. Once the ritual is done I move on. The ritual is done alone of course, and no one but me is aware of who all is entailed. I will not go into any of them as I said it is all left at the ritual.

I know not everyone believes the same as I do, but that is what makes this place so great. I have my beliefs, but I am always open to the thoughts of others. Being close minded does nothing but close the door to growth. It is nice to be able to share the way we are. Thank you
Title: Re: The power of 3 x 3?
Post by: blue on January 13, 2018, 04:30:48 AM
 I had to think on it for a time A.W. One might say that a practice of the craft can take on any number of different forms. If i understand correctly, what you would be describing is a form of spell casting that manifests a change in the outer world. It's been awhile since i've practiced that way. You know how it is ... you tend to forget over time.

 With me, it was a process of raising myself to a higher energy level so that i could intend a shift in the assemblage point of perception. First, i had to be able to use that shift to be able to "see" how to accomplish the task at hand. The next step was to apply "unbending intent" -or- "will" to channel that energy to accomplish the objective.

 I wouldn't say that the craft shouldn't be practiced this way but there are a lot of downsides. It requires quite an expenditure of energy and i wonder if a part of that energy is one's life force.

 As i've gotten older i don't feel as though i've got as much of that wild & untamed energy on tap. It may simply be that i've gotten better at using it more efficiently by manifesting very small changes that ultimately result in the butterfly effect ? I prefer to operate at a much lower energy state these days so that my assemblage point doesn't dither about so wildly. As you get older your passions cool and you operate more by reason & logic.

 I was trying to think of how you could go about getting that monkey off your back while minimizing the karmic blowback. Of course there's the hex, the curse, and the binding but that can get messy. Petitioning one's higher power to intercede should be fairly harmless.

 I'm just wondering .... the person or entity that's got it's sights set on your destruction is channeling power as well. That's an ego driven thing that ultimately leads to madness. You can't reason somebody out of their crazy but you can re-direct their energy so that it's not aimed at you.

 Maybe one hard energy blow to their assemblage point ?

 Perhaps even crazier ...... If they've fallen victim to the arrogance and madness of power there's a good chance they're well down the left hand path and are living in their own personal hell of negativity. Cast a blessing spell that brings a little joy & happiness into their life. It probably won't hold but it might re-direct them for awhile.

 This would be consistent with the principle of harm none ? A threefold return, if such a thing exists, would enrich the quality of your own life while pacifying your adversary ?