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Title: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on July 28, 2013, 05:25:14 AM
Stonehenge; a place of great awe and wonder, but also a place of great spirituality, recognised the world over for its links to ancient Pagan Britons. Approximately 5000 years old, and celebrated by Pagans to this very day. Wondrous in its enormity and mysterious in its substance and purpose. Even though considered Druidic, it holds much for many Pagans
 
What significance does Stonehenge hold for you in your path? Although this forum is predominantly American, perhaps this place means something special to you. Would you consider a pilgrimage at some point? would you merely visit in passing? Give me your thoughts and lets discuss its significance both in origin and its latter day existence.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: marisol on July 28, 2013, 09:06:25 AM
I have always wanted to visit Stonehenge. It's one of my favorite places in the world. It's full of mystery and wonder for me. We forget the ancient people were as intelligent as we are, they only lacked technology. Or technology like we have. Manpower made up for that lack. It would have been great to watch it being built. Was it built when the Druids and Celts came to Briton? Or thousands of years before?

I would like to visit, but it is so far away, that is not likely to happen. When I was in the UK for Samhain last year there was no time for sight seeing and I
 feel I lost my chance. But who knows what the future holds.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: WickedSky on July 28, 2013, 09:29:55 AM
Stonehenge would be a great place to visit. If I ever have a chance I would love to sit in silence there and meditate. You never know what secrets could  be unearthed. Its intriquing to say the least.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Thorn of the Rose on July 28, 2013, 09:35:54 AM
I LOVE Stonehenge; I adored it even before I started on the pagan path because it's so mysterious and fascinating. We know so much about it and yet so little and I like the fact that anyone can like it for any reason just because of that. It's a wonderful place to visit - the atmosphere is incredible even when it's crawling with tourists. I definitely recommend a visit to anyone (especially once they've improved the visitor centre...  ::) )
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on July 28, 2013, 03:45:11 PM
A few other snippets of info for you all;
 
There is evidence that shows that Stonehenge was actually in use 4000 years earlier than when the stones were constructed. It was revealed that posts were erected in a crescent, the post holes are in evidence and there is organic material revealed to be wood.
 
The "Sarsen"  stones range from 7 tons to 45 tons, and the "bluestones" that mark the perimeter weigh in between 2 and 4 tons each.
 
There are 43 bluestones in place but it is believed (not proven) that there were in fact 80. The "Bluestones" are believed to come all the way from the Preseli hills in Wales; as there is no evidence of this particular stone anywhere nearer.
 
The entrance to the stones is in alignment with the rising sun on Summer Solstice and at the opposite side, a perfect alignment with the setting sun of Winter Solstice.



:: ETA; all information comes from varying sources and is collated for your enjoyment.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on July 28, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
I would love to visit and a few other sites in England.  Maybe I will someday.  :-\
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on July 29, 2013, 02:17:06 AM
Unfortunately, the National Trust has restricted access to the stones now. You may walk around them within a certain distance but you cannot get close enough to touch them. The restrictions are lifted on Summer and Winter Solstices and the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes. They felt that so many people touching them was causing erosion...... :-p
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Oonagh on July 29, 2013, 07:05:06 AM
Stonehenge is a bit like the Grand Canyon for me.  Overwhelming.  It has this vast sense of being and it makes me feel very small and very vulnerable.  The energy is amazing, I cannot deny that and the stones themselves seem to sort of hum.  Taking it all in at once can be a lot. 

I personally prefer the smaller dances scattered elsewhere thruout England, Ireland and Scotland.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Xicked on August 20, 2013, 11:58:14 PM
Unfortunately, the National Trust has restricted access to the stones now. You may walk around them within a certain distance but you cannot get close enough to touch them. The restrictions are lifted on Summer and Winter Solstices and the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes. They felt that so many people touching them was causing erosion...... :-p

I visited Stonehenge in 2009 and our guide mentioned that people would chip off small pieces of the stones to take home.  I could see areas that looked like graffiti had been cleaned off as well.  It might be for the best that the stones aren't accessible. 
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 21, 2013, 03:51:14 AM
Unfortunately, the National Trust has restricted access to the stones now. You may walk around them within a certain distance but you cannot get close enough to touch them. The restrictions are lifted on Summer and Winter Solstices and the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes. They felt that so many people touching them was causing erosion...... :-p

I visited Stonehenge in 2009 and our guide mentioned that people would chip off small pieces of the stones to take home.  I could see areas that looked like graffiti had been cleaned off as well.  It might be for the best that the stones aren't accessible.

Happy birthday Xicked, hope you had a great day yesterday. Yes isn't it always the way that these sad individuals spoil it for others with genuine interest?
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: marisol on August 23, 2013, 12:04:27 PM
That is very sad to travel all that distance and not be able to touch them.
I'm sure many people would love to get their hands on a chip of Stonehenge.
           ::)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 23, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
And therein lies the problem! Too many people want a chip of Stonehenge. if they did brass rubbing maybe that wouldn't be so bad, but people were chipping the stones.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: poppylou on August 26, 2013, 10:47:06 AM
How did i not know it was open on solstices? XD I was born about twenty minutes from stonehenge, and i've never been allowed to go see it before. When i was younger, a lot of people hung around there with torches and chanted a lot, i now assume as some sort of celebration, but a lot of the locals were scared that they were satanists or something, so none of the kids were ever allowed to visit :'(
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Xicked on August 27, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Unfortunately, the National Trust has restricted access to the stones now. You may walk around them within a certain distance but you cannot get close enough to touch them. The restrictions are lifted on Summer and Winter Solstices and the Spring and Autumn Equinoxes. They felt that so many people touching them was causing erosion...... :-p

I visited Stonehenge in 2009 and our guide mentioned that people would chip off small pieces of the stones to take home.  I could see areas that looked like graffiti had been cleaned off as well.  It might be for the best that the stones aren't accessible.

Happy birthday Xicked, hope you had a great day yesterday. Yes isn't it always the way that these sad individuals spoil it for others with genuine interest?

Thank you Drac!

The National Trust should create a story la Pele's Curse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pele%27s_Curse). 
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on August 27, 2013, 11:35:23 PM
Drac does the fence go out pass the older wooden circle ?.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 28, 2013, 04:41:40 AM
There's no fence OG, other than a rope and rebar perimeter. it runs along the path next to the outer stones and quite a distance away round the rest of the perimeter around the wooden markers. There are also Wardens who patrol the area and keep people from getting near and touching. I believe, by appointment groups are taken through the stones by a guide, told the history and beliefs that are associated.
 
This pic shows the closest point to the stones you can get;
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579/maddragon63/stonehenge_2540465b1_zps451ba85e.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/maddragon63/media/stonehenge_2540465b1_zps451ba85e.jpg.html)
 
This pic shows the rope and rebar at about knee high to the people;
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579/maddragon63/stonehenge-11_zps51f05961.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/maddragon63/media/stonehenge-11_zps51f05961.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on August 28, 2013, 10:09:08 AM
Thanks for the pictures Drac .  Magnificent is it not .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 28, 2013, 10:35:33 AM
Absolutely mate, The stones are just majestic monoliths from a bygone era.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Pure on August 29, 2013, 12:35:14 PM
I love Stonehenge, it is iconically British and has a powerful vibe to it. I might work up the courage to go to the summer solstice there next year.  :-X

I set this image to replace the windows start-up logo and login screen background a few months ago on my laptop, I still dig it.

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu55/aridgers/GB-wp1_zps5eae8951.jpg) (http://s633.photobucket.com/user/aridgers/media/GB-wp1_zps5eae8951.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 29, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
Yup, Pictures of Stonehenge just don't get boring do they?
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on August 29, 2013, 01:04:30 PM
Looks nice with the frost on the ground .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: marisol on August 29, 2013, 01:07:15 PM
I wish I had gone to see it while I was there. It's beautiful.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 29, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
I saw a marvellous sunset picture (or it might have been sunrise) once, I will have to see if I can find it again. I'll post it if I come across it.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 29, 2013, 02:38:34 PM
This is like the one I saw before;
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579/maddragon63/1d434aefaebb1_zps55d11411.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/maddragon63/media/1d434aefaebb1_zps55d11411.jpg.html)
 
These next two I found and rather liked;
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579/maddragon63/imagesCAT5QS11_zps507824eb.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/maddragon63/media/imagesCAT5QS11_zps507824eb.jpg.html)
 
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579/maddragon63/Stonehengesunset_zps7ef4c96b.png) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/maddragon63/media/Stonehengesunset_zps7ef4c96b.png.html)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 29, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
And here is how the Google people pictured it so closely for "street view"......LoL (it's true!)
 
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579/maddragon63/stonehenge_1442853c1_zps85043bd3.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/maddragon63/media/stonehenge_1442853c1_zps85043bd3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on August 29, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
The one with the mist is killer Drac but the one in the middle is magical .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on August 29, 2013, 03:52:28 PM
There are so many pictures on Google images, it took me some time to recognise that first pic...LoL
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: C_A on September 25, 2013, 08:45:19 AM
The only significance it holds for me is

1...Remembering how my back ached when I was done putting it up.
2...Being annoyed when those kids vandalized it.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 25, 2013, 12:32:22 PM
The only significance it holds for me is

1...Remembering how my back ached when I was done putting it up.
2...Being annoyed when those kids vandalized it.

                           ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 25, 2013, 02:18:56 PM
Actually C_A, I wonder if you wouldn't have been better building it a bit further away from the road? Might be worth considering next time.... :-p 8)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 25, 2013, 02:24:39 PM
Don't remember a road there , is it one of those damn roman roads , the bastards ......
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 25, 2013, 03:12:49 PM
They were going to build a tunnel under the Henge, but it was felt it could cause problems (Duh!) so it never happened, instead it passes by not too far to the side, but far enough away so as not to disturb the site. A606 I think. It runs towards the site but veers off as the road approaches. I believe it replaced a more minor road.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 25, 2013, 07:16:59 PM
Are they still studying it and who's in charge of the work going on ?.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 26, 2013, 01:22:53 AM
I have no idea mate, but I would imagine that they would periodically monitor the area for any signs of anything untoward; just to be on the safe side, I would.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 26, 2013, 05:21:36 PM
The only significance it holds for me is

1...Remembering how my back ached when I was done putting it up.
2...Being annoyed when those kids vandalized it.

Rofl....
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Earthbound Spirit on September 26, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
Very nice pics Drac.  Thanks for posting them.  Keep up the good work. :)
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 26, 2013, 05:39:45 PM
..... And one day I might actually get to see them for myself  :-p
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 26, 2013, 08:38:42 PM
I'd love to go there and watch the ceremony's but not as much as I would like to have it all to myself for a night with the full moon shinning straight down .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 27, 2013, 01:43:27 AM
Hmmm! Not sure what night security is like there, could be interesting finding out though :o
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 27, 2013, 05:54:49 AM
Yes it would , sure I could find a way for you to distract them ::) .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: C_A on September 27, 2013, 07:59:32 AM
For a long time you were able to get there.  There was a form to fill out and, if you self-identified as Wiccan, Druid, historian et al you could go right up in there among the stones.  IDK if that's still "do-able", but it was when I was there in '81.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 27, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
Now you need special access but in a group at 99 pounds per person and only on certain dates and time of the year .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 29, 2013, 09:49:16 AM
Those are tours prices OG. Turning up in person is cheaper; Child 4.80, Adult 8.00, Students and Seniors 7.20, and Family ticket 20.80.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 29, 2013, 10:18:06 AM
That the price I found for walking inside the structure not just around it ?. I saw you price but I want to go inside , me greedy .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 29, 2013, 10:19:46 AM
Walking inside can only be done at the solstices I believe....... Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 29, 2013, 12:08:09 PM
The site I went to had special tours but only a few each year , I guess that's why the high price but it is with a group , the group can not be greater then 26 people.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 29, 2013, 12:14:24 PM
The sites I looked at did seem to be charging prices like that for tours...... But that's what your paying for, the coach and so on. My prices are based on turning up yourself in the car.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 29, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
It a private tour and if I ever go I can get the senior discount for only77 pounds . Would not go anyway , don't like doing things in groups , and don't like hanging around with old people , they smell funny .........
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 29, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
 ;D Arf Arf Arf! Yeah I get that, I hate crowds and groups. I guess that's why I looked at the prices for doing it alone or family.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 29, 2013, 01:30:49 PM
Yeah and most people don't know how to keep quite . They see it a just a place , they could not feel the magic if one of the sarsens fell on them .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 29, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
Again also true. Going as a family or alone you can drink in the moment and the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 29, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
Was going thru some of those tours if it was not for the short time you had at some of the stops they would not be a bad deal . To bad they don't have ones where you can spend the night camping out there .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 29, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
I hate coaches and buses at the best of times, I certainly couldn't handle a coach full of sight seers who haven't got a clue what they are there for..... All singing stupid bloody songs like "wheels on the bus" or "stop the bus I need a wee wee". Just the thought of it makes me want to tear my own face off and dip my head in vinegar!
 
 
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Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 29, 2013, 09:00:47 PM
And people wonder why mass murders happen , wonder if you would call that a postman's holiday  ;D .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 30, 2013, 04:17:14 AM
Getting back to something you said earlier, I wonder if there is any way one could spend a night at the stones. At the museum (I seem to be referencing that a lot lately), occasionally by special arrangement, we used to allow kids to spend the night in a couple of the galleries (supervised of course).
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 30, 2013, 07:49:21 AM
I'm sure for enough money you could get to stay the night , unless you wanted to try and sneak in .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: C_A on September 30, 2013, 07:58:52 AM
There's a megalith park in Pennsylvania.  It's called Collumcille.  Wonderful place.  And essentially free.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 30, 2013, 08:29:39 AM
http://www.columbiariverimages.com/region/Places/stonehenge.html (http://www.columbiariverimages.com/region/Places/stonehenge.html)  not to far from me either.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 30, 2013, 10:55:18 AM
I'm sure for enough money you could get to stay the night , unless you wanted to try and sneak in .

I could do that....LoL
Or at least have a go at it........
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 30, 2013, 03:49:07 PM
If they catch you just speak gibberish an keep point at yourself and said Me Merlin .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 30, 2013, 06:45:32 PM
Yeah, I could leap and dance about like a madman, whooping and howling as I go.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on September 30, 2013, 07:49:58 PM
No don't act normal .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on September 30, 2013, 07:53:07 PM
If you act normal they don't notice, I shall continue to frolic! :-p
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on October 01, 2013, 04:20:10 PM
Is not frolicking normal for you  ;D
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 01, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
Don't know, they've never seen me yet :o
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on October 01, 2013, 07:54:30 PM
What you wearing your ghillie suit , sneaky bugger.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 02, 2013, 03:49:37 AM
Hee Hee Hee..... I wonder what they would say if they found someone sneaking about with a ghillie...LoL
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on October 02, 2013, 02:22:40 PM
If they spot you your not very good at sneaking up on people . Just hope they are not armed . If you get caught think of all the free room and board you'll get .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 02, 2013, 02:38:48 PM
You forget buddy, this is the UK, nobody in security is armed here. Unless of course your talking police in airports.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on October 02, 2013, 05:47:32 PM
Well then sticks and stone , boots, clubs, Land Rovers
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 02, 2013, 06:17:37 PM
Dunno about the land rovers in a heritage area, but the rest is a definite possibility.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on October 03, 2013, 02:19:32 AM
What no perimeter patrol in a vehicle . Do they have a little shack to stay in ?.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on October 03, 2013, 03:18:05 AM
Really don't know what they do as checks, I imagine they have a quad for wide perimeter check though.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: LuciferAngel on December 04, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
Look around on the interweb and there are good photographs of what Stonehenge looked like 50 years ago, and then compare to a present day photograph. More damage has been done in the last 50 years than in the last 5,000.

There are many of these circles with structures in the UK and parts of Europe. Stonehenge is the well known example but there are a great many locations that show evidence of these ancient structures.

If you have children and want some fun (or just want the fun on your own) build your own Stonehenge in the back garden. Obviously not on that scale, but with some simple wood poles in the ground. Find the sight lines at sunset and sunrise and observe over many months for yourself. It can promote a conversation with a child about astronomy, ancient cultures, archeology and much much more.  When a young mind is unleashed to think and see for itself (rather than being fed the thoughts of others through a reality show) it is an awesome power.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Draconis Rex on December 05, 2013, 02:41:20 PM
That's actually a neat idea Luc, I have had an idea about a model Stonehenge before but to create one for an interest for the kids is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: oldghost on December 05, 2013, 08:04:03 PM
Think of all that has been lost to us over the years due to our wanting to own the land which is not ours to own . We are the caregivers of this world nothing more . It is our job to keep it safe for all times , we are the protectors of this special place not it's owner .
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Pure on December 08, 2013, 04:39:28 AM
Think of all that has been lost to us over the years due to our wanting to own the land which is not ours to own . We are the caregivers of this world nothing more . It is our job to keep it safe for all times , we are the protectors of this special place not it's owner .

But how can we protect and cherish the special places in our world when so few people appear to care? How can the 5% prevail when it seems 95% are bent on mindless consumption and eventual destruction of everything?  :( 

Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: marisol on December 08, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Determination and education.
Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: Alchymist on March 20, 2014, 10:54:23 PM
Stonehenge is without doubt a magical place; I was there in 1972 when it was possible to walk right up to the stones and touch them. I was with a small group, but there were times when I could feel I was completely alone there and in touch with the spirit of the place.

I went again about 2002, and some of the magic had gone; there were hundreds of people, and no-one could get any closer to the actual stones than about 50ft. It was still magnificent though, and well worth a visit.

My wife Myranda and I were in southwest Ireland two or three years later, and we visited the Drombeg stone circle near Clonakilty, west of Cork; smaller than Stonehenge, but still magnificent, in a shallow coombe overlooking the open Atlantic Ocean. Myranda, who is very intuitive at times, suddenly felt the urge to play her bodhran (Irish hand drum) in the centre of the circle; after a minute or two of playing she said to me "Can you hear that?" Indeed I could; the stones were "singing" back to us, a wild high keening note, an overtone of the pitch of the drum itself - and suddenly I knew why the builders of Stonehenge had needed to transport those Bluestones all the way from the Preseli Mountains of South Wales, 200 kilometres away.

Preseli Bluestone is still quarried today, mostly to be made into jewellery; and the main quarry is close to a village called Maenclochog - the English translation would be something like "Stone that rings like a bell." The builders of Stonehenge wanted a particular kind of stone with special acoustic properties, that would resonate in a particular way to sounds that would be produced inside the circle - perhaps from drumming and/or chanting.

Recent research seems to have borne out this conjecture of mine. Our ancestors who built these ancient structures were no skin-wearing savages, as they have been depicted in countless books and magazine articles - and even English Heritage official publications; Not only were they astronomical technicians, capable of erecting 25-ton stones in astronomically precise alignments; they were also consummate acoustic engineers, who knew not only the exact kind of stone they wanted, but also where to find it.

Alchymist.

Title: Re: Stonehenge
Post by: MoonlitWings on March 21, 2014, 12:00:49 AM
Amazing Alch o.o Just once in my lifetime, I would love to visit Stonehenge and other circles there, let alone touch them.

 Stones that sing? Now I want to hear it myself. Would be a wonderful and magical experience.