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Title: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Karin Elena on February 05, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
I'm Karin, 24 years old, from Norway and I am a Christian Wicca who want to meet others with my kind of faith. I love working out (yoga, aerobic, zumba), cook vegan food, being with people and dance my feet off in night clubs :P I'm very fond of animals, so that's why I'm a vegan. Been a veggie since 2008 and a vegan since 2011. Currently I'm reading The Wicca Bible where the author tells about respecting the nature, and that's interesting. Yes, I'm very new to Wicca, so I guess I'm gonna ask away in the future. I hope this is an active forum? Hugs and blessings from me =)
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: marisol on February 05, 2014, 07:49:16 PM
Welcome Karin. Please read all sticky threads. There is a lot of info
to browse through here, so take your time. If you need help or have
a question you can use the search button and ask questions if you
need to. Jump in whenever you wish so we can get to know  you.

Have a happy journey. ;)
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: MoonlitWings on February 05, 2014, 08:48:56 PM
Welcome Karin and have a great journey on your path :)
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Valerie on February 06, 2014, 02:33:59 AM
Hallo  ;D
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: C_A on February 06, 2014, 08:09:37 AM
...I am a Christian Wicca ...

Would you be so kind as to elucidate on this a little more?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Arnemetia on February 06, 2014, 09:52:17 AM
Welcome karin.  Enjoy your journey.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Karin Elena on March 17, 2014, 02:51:39 PM
...I am a Christian Wicca ...

Would you be so kind as to elucidate on this a little more?
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A person who believes in the Father and the Son as God(s) and in the Holy Spirit as a Godess.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: C_A on March 17, 2014, 03:12:30 PM
Umm...that doesn't work.

Pour oil in a jar.  Add water.  See?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 17, 2014, 08:13:06 PM
Which "Wicca Bible" are you reading?  Please tell me it's the one by the Farrars....
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Karin Elena on March 17, 2014, 08:59:26 PM
This one: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7697415-the-wicca-bible?fb_action_ids=634071689979803&fb_action_types=books.reads&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B368269803251940%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22books.reads%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D&fb_collection_id=14&ref=profile
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: C_A on March 18, 2014, 02:44:02 AM
Please...  Go to our books section and start going through.  I checked out that book.  It is actually, from what I can see, of VERY little value to one seeking the Wiccan path.  The entire "star-dot-bible" series appears to be a racket.  As well, avail yourself of many of the "sticky" threads, (the ones at the top of each forum).  There is more usable information in them than in that entire book, I'd wager.

I'll leave this here:

You can not be a Christian Wiccan.  You can not use the Abrahmic Triune G-d as your representations.  To do so insults both Christians AND Wiccans of deep faith.

(Edit to add:  I do not want to start this entire subject in here or anywhere else.  This horse has successfully been beaten to death several times here at TCC.  Wicca is a seeker's path.  Go.  Seek. )
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Karin Elena on March 18, 2014, 04:59:15 AM
If I want I will be a Christian Wicca, if you got something against that it's not my problem! To have your own belief is a human right, and no moderator on this forum has a "right theory" about how the spiritual is.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 18, 2014, 05:07:04 AM
Karin, you're right that no one else can dictate your faith.   No one is disputing your human right on this forum.  That isn't the issue.  Someone with vast experience is just saying you're kidding yourself.  So if you don't agree, why not ask him more questions and do more research as he suggested?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Draconis Rex on March 18, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
 ;D ;D ;D    I'm away to take my fish-budgie out for a walk to the park and throw a Frisbee for it.... ;D ;D ;D



Sorry, couldn't resist
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Khara on March 18, 2014, 08:28:56 PM
But I want to beat the fvcking horse again.  >:(

I still have my 300 quotes saved from all the OTHER horse beating threads dammit!!!!!!!  >:( >:( >:(



fricking fracking really bad bad bad words that will only be subbed into something fvcking fluffy fvckity fvck fvck


>:( Stomps off.....
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: C_A on March 19, 2014, 03:12:12 AM
If I want I will be a Christian Wicca, if you got something against that it's not my problem! To have your own belief is a human right, and no moderator on this forum has a "right theory" about how the spiritual is.

(Emph. mine))

In theory, you're absolutely right.  in practice, though...

If nothing else, the Triune G-d cannot be divided the way you say you do.  It is a fundamental core belief.

As I said before.  This horse has been beaten.  I'll leave it to you, (or anyone feeling badly enough for you to help you out), to go and search this issue among the wonders of this woodland.  Eclecticism is a good thing.  Sometimes, though, it just doesn't work out all that well.  The fact that some "auteur" says different is moot to the true practitioner.  There are those, among the "literary" community that have precious little / NO respect from those of us out here that truly practice the RELIGION that they casually flount about with "White Light. goodness and Unicorns".

As a degreed Wiccan of three traditions, of four decades, I can tell you that I speak for the VAST majority of orthodox Wiccans that take umbrage at the "Christian Wiccan" tag.  By their very nature, they are incompatible.   By their practice, tenets, dogma and history they are incongruent.

Yes, you can believe whatever you want to... After all, if someone puts it in a book, it must be really for real true, right?..It's all a question of what you LABEL it.  Labeling it the way you do, around here, will garner the response you've gotten. 

After all, for US there IS NO "theory".  Our faith, to us, is a stone.  Not clay.

Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: gwargeek on March 19, 2014, 06:24:03 AM
Welcome Karin,and may your journey supplies you with answers. :)
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Khara on March 19, 2014, 06:54:07 AM
And from the "witch" peanut gallery.... We don't take too kindly to people worshiping a god who tells his followers to kill us, so it doesn't work on that path either.

Maybe you just need to join a catholic church, they're about as christian pagan as you can get.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: marisol on March 19, 2014, 07:37:05 AM
Karin you introduced your beliefs to this forum, don't be surprised at the reaction you
receive. Is there a possibility you are strongly attracted to paganism, but feel guilt
about leaving your Christian upbringing behind? Give your curiosity a chance to explore
without feeling guilt, then maybe you will find your path. Either be a Christian or a Wiccan,
it's lying to yourself to try to be both at the same time. That would be like trying to mix
Christianity with the Muslim faith, total chaos. As a people our religion should connect us
with the divine in our everyday life, can you do this with two completely incompatible 
religions?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Khara on March 19, 2014, 07:59:53 AM
If I want I will be a Christian Wicca, if you got something against that it's not my problem! To have your own belief is a human right, and no moderator on this forum has a "right theory" about how the spiritual is.

I have to admit when I first read this statement, my very first thought was "I want to be a pretty pretty princess but that ain't happening either......"

 ::)
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Khara on March 19, 2014, 08:00:51 AM
No one else wants to beat the horse?   ???

Y'all are no fun.  :-\
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Karin Elena on March 19, 2014, 07:45:01 PM
I haven't said that I believe everything in the bible, and there are different ways of being a wicca, also when you're a Christian.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 19, 2014, 08:17:30 PM
What do think makes a person Wiccan?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: C_A on March 20, 2014, 03:37:08 AM
I haven't said that I believe everything in the bible, and there are different ways of being a wicca, also when you're a Christian.

Look...It's NOT that I'm saying that you're  a bad person.  It's not that I'm saying that you're not bright, witty. funny, pretty...ANY thing like that.  I'm just saying that YOU ARE WRONG.  That's all.  Nothing mean, nasty, insulting, disparaging or any other malevolence about it.  Strictly a statement of the facts as they are in this pitiful Universe we live in.  The point of ANY religion is that you GROW in  it.  There are, really, some wonderfully dedicated and degreed Wiccans out there who actually DID start out watching "Charmed", "The Craft" or "Practical Magic".  Sure, they started OUT a little looney, but they read, read, read and read some more and grew, grew, grew.

You can too.  or not, that's your choice.  But you can look forward to more ridicule on other sites than you've experienced here.  By a longshot.

Go and DO the reading.  This subject has been covered here at TCC MANY times.  Search out the threads.  We have beginner and advanced reading lists.  Find a place in there to start. 
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 20, 2014, 05:41:24 AM
Karin, I'm going to preface this by saying I agree with C_A about 1000 percent. Christianity and Wicca (or Neowicca) are profoundly incompatible.  This being said, it's your spiritual path, not mine.  There are plenty of Christowiccans out there and you may meet them on other Pagan forums. That is one way for you to network.  But do not expect all the members to support the idea,  Others will maintain as I would, and I think most here, that it's a cop out.  Some really good debates do happen though that you might enjoy.

C_A, can I ruin your day?  A well known pagan magazine editor told me she fully expects popular neowicca and eclectic wicca to be heavily Christianized in about 10 years.  Though Trad Wicca won't be affected, maybe not even TIW, I still got the gacks.

I mean, pick a team.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Firesong on March 20, 2014, 12:46:35 PM
Karin, I'm going to preface this by saying I agree with C_A about 1000 percent. Christianity and Wicca (or Neowicca) are profoundly incompatible.  This being said, it's your spiritual path, not mine.  There are plenty of Christowiccans out there and you may meet them on other Pagan forums. That is one way for you to network.  But do not expect all the members to support the idea,  Others will maintain as I would, and I think most here, that it's a cop out.  Some really good debates do happen though that you might enjoy.

C_A, can I ruin your day?  A well known pagan magazine editor told me she fully expects popular neowicca and eclectic wicca to be heavily Christianized in about 10 years.  Though Trad Wicca won't be affected, maybe not even TIW, I still got the gacks.

I mean, pick a team.

Why?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: C_A on March 20, 2014, 01:48:03 PM
I think it's a question of plain-and-simple homogeny.  (I had heard that premise before, as well.)

I'll post again on this after I coalesce the thoughts.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 20, 2014, 02:31:56 PM
FS, which part of my post are you questioning?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: marisol on March 20, 2014, 06:02:52 PM
Ashe what was the reasoning behind your friends statement Re: Christianized Wicca?
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 20, 2014, 06:24:36 PM
Simply that we swim in a sea of Christianity, and with Neowicca becoming so available to the general public the prevailing religion of our culture is bound to seep in. This is one reason I prefer initiatory Wicca with core beliefs that remain stable.  This is not to say  all others here wish to blend Christianity or would even consider it, but the times they are a changin' according to Anne Newkirk Niven (pagan magazine editor) and my experience in various pagan forums. The Christian indoctrination so prevalent in our society seems very, very hard for people to overcome. And there is a common belief among many pagans that Jesus was all accepting and tolerant, and therefore would be perfectly happy being invoked in a pagan ritual.  Cringe.


Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 20, 2014, 06:34:30 PM
There are other, more subtle aspects of Christianity that infiltrate some pagan thought such as the struggle of good vs evil, the trinity, the fear of judgement by various pagan deities and other things.  I know those concepts are complex and some predate Christianity but their influence in modern paganism seems based on Christian tenets.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Firesong on March 21, 2014, 10:10:27 PM
FS, which part of my post are you questioning?

Why pick a team?  Not being argumentative, and with the utmost sincerity and respect...
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Ashe Isadora on March 22, 2014, 06:47:42 AM
Christian theology and Wiccan, or Neowiccan, theology are entirely at odds.  I believe other pagan religions would not blend well either, but since some have successfully syncretized  with the Church over the centuries I'm reluctant to make such a broad statement.

I want to clarify that I'm talking about Christowicca here, and not necessarily Christianity that employs witchcraft. Though it seems to violate scripture, witchcraft alone doesn't have a theology embedded in it.

Did I answer the question FS?  I get the feeling you might have some counterarguments ready.....
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Firesong on March 26, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
Christian theology and Wiccan, or Neowiccan, theology are entirely at odds.  I believe other pagan religions would not blend well either, but since some have successfully syncretized  with the Church over the centuries I'm reluctant to make such a broad statement.

I want to clarify that I'm talking about Christowicca here, and not necessarily Christianity that employs witchcraft. Though it seems to violate scripture, witchcraft alone doesn't have a theology embedded in it.

Did I answer the question FS?  I get the feeling you might have some counterarguments ready.....

Yep... good answer.   :D

There are those that see this adultery test (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5%3A11-31&version=NASB) in Numbers 5:11-31 as very similar to some later Coptic ritual practices, such as writing a spell on papyrus, placing the piece of papyrus in a small vessel, dissolving the writing in a drinkable liquid, and then drinking it, or having somebody else drink it.  There are even drinking bowls with spells and prayers or blessings, engraved on them that work basically the same way.  The liquid is poured in to the bowl, possibly massaged a bit, and left for a little while, then drunk (or offered).

But getting back to what I asked about, I agree that Wicca and Biblical Christianity are mutually incongruent.  What I meant was, why choose either?  Not that there is anything wrong with either... both are religions with many devout followers; if you lose the bindings of religion, and merely practice that which resonates with your core beliefs it's just as valid, but you can't call it something that it's not... it won't be Wicca, or Biblical Christianity, but something else entirely, which isn't a bad thing either... no?   



Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: Jamni90 on March 31, 2014, 11:00:35 AM
Yay another norwegian ^^
Welcome, i hope you'll enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: A Norwegian hello =)
Post by: CelticWanderer on March 31, 2014, 05:42:56 PM
A 100,000 welcomes!!!! May your journey always be blessed!!!!!!