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 on: May 10, 2017, 10:25:40 AM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by cheese
As others have said, this phenomena exists in different traditions.  When I was a Catholic, people that didn't "measure up" in the eyes of (usually very conservative) Catholics were called "Cafeteria Catholics" because they pick and chose which doctrines to follow. 

Usually it was things like artificial birth control or voting for pro-abortion politicians. 

To my mind, it's just another way that they can prove their superiority or enforce social order.

 on: May 09, 2017, 10:44:08 PM 
Started by canadianseeker - Last post by oldghost
Greetings Seeker , we have a wonderful book list of books you may fine of interest . Check to see if your local library has any of the titles that you find of interest before you spend a lot of money .

An if you want to find lie minded people in your area try this site .    www.witchvox .com

 on: May 09, 2017, 10:37:06 PM 
Started by strange_seeker - Last post by oldghost
Good to hear from you again ,so did you graduate with a 4.0? or are there years still to go.

 on: May 09, 2017, 10:26:27 PM 
Started by cheese - Last post by oldghost
Welcome back Cheese , and greeting fellow OBOD , I'd teach you the secret handshake but my arms aren't that long 👐👇👊🙏.

 on: May 07, 2017, 08:43:57 PM 
Started by canadianseeker - Last post by marisol
Welcome Seeker. Enjoy your journey. ;)

 on: May 04, 2017, 05:45:04 PM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by Alchymist
It's part of my nature to believe nothing and question everything. I can't help it; it's just part of who I am. It began in elementary school, in Britain in the 1950s, and continued through secondary school where our teachers were telling us stuff that was demonstrably bogus, especially about religion (I failed the final Religious Knowledge exam......). And I've been questioning everything ever since, in religion, in spirituality, in politics, in economics, even in science.......

The aforementioned article by Thomas Sheridan, whoever he may be, is a typical case. His contention is that Wicca has been co-opted by the CIA as a way of keeping "intelligent and idealistic" people from asking awkward questions; but, apparently, it hasn't occurred to him that his own beloved Thelema might be just as vulnerable to co-option.

It's a matter of historical record that Good Ol' Uncle Aleister himself published pro-German propaganda during WWI, but claimed to be secretly working for British Intelligence; and during WWII he claimed to have been in close collaboration with both British and American military intelligence. It's also a matter of record that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, was for many years a member of Crowley's O.T.O., but claimed to have infiltrated the Order on behalf of U.S. Naval Intelligence (the O.T.O., of course, had its origins in Germany in the 19th century, which would in itself have been sufficient grounds, in the 1930s and 40s, for the Allies to pay the Order close attention). What if the O.T.O., unbeknownst to its rank and file members, is in fact a front for the CIA, NSA or some other Government agency? I'd say it's not beyond the bounds of possibility.

I often suspect, in some of my more subversive moments, that there are few "fringe" organizations that haven't been co-opted to some extent, or at least heavily infiltrated, by Government intelligence agencies. It's well known that the spooks keep a careful eye on environmental and political organizations such as Greenpeace and the American Civil Liberties Union; do they also have a strong presence in more spiritually oriented organizations such as, for example, the AMORC Rosicrucians, the Temple of Set, the Church of All Worlds, and, yes, Thelema, and, yes, even some of the traditional Wiccan groups?

Many Wiccan groups have recently been making strong efforts to become acceptable to the mainstream of society. And yet, in doing so, I suspect they has to a great extent lost their heart and soul - a heart and soul which is (or should be) subversive, transgressive, heretical. Witchcraft, as I understand it, not only "thinks outside the box", in the jargon beloved of corporate CEOs without really meaning it - but breaks the box up altogether; from this point of view, Wicca is just another box. There is perhaps some truth in Sheridan's assertion that today's Wicca serves as a diversion - but not to keep the crazies out of Thelema. I suspect, at times, that both Wicca and Thelema, and other "fringe" groups, serve as diversions to keep the "follower" types away from genuine Witchcraft by allowing them to feel "superior" in belonging to a "proper" initiatory organization, while the really creative, dangerous and heretical individuals self-initiate, write their own rituals, dance naked in the moonlight and invoke the true Soul of the World, the Universal Anima, in the shape of Hecate or, better still, the Morrigan; She who sees right through all our pretences, She who will not let us get away with half-truths, She who will not allow us to deceive ourselves.

I realise I've quite possibly annoyed more than a few people by putting these ideas forward; but, having spent time with and around a number of these groups and found them, for the most part, uninteresting; overly concerned with lineage and "legitimacy" rather than making things happen - intentionally, consciously creating new realities, to use my own definition of Magic - I've become a Solitary by choice, it seems. I'm not condemning all groups; most of these groups serve a purpose, and the best ones honestly do an excellent teaching job - but the only legitimate function of a teacher, it seems to me, is to bring the student to the point at which he or she doesn't need the teacher any more. We can't stay in elementary school all our lives - and even grad school doesn't last forever.

Perhaps, as I've said, we must not only "think outside the box" but ignore the box altogether, and each carve our own individual Pathway through the forbidding dark forest alluded to, obliquely, in all genuine mythology.

Blessed Be everyone, but especially all solitary Seekers,


 on: May 04, 2017, 04:09:46 PM 
Started by canadianseeker - Last post by Canis
Welcome to TCC Seeker.

 on: May 04, 2017, 02:00:22 PM 
Started by canadianseeker - Last post by Draconis Rex
Welcome to TCC Seeker. Your thinking is sound, take your time and let your path reveal itself to you; it will in time.
In the meantime just learn what you can and feel free to engage with the members here. Have a good look through our older threads, there's much knowledge to be gained here and if you get stuck just ask and someone should help. Anything specific can usually be found using our search engine.

 on: May 04, 2017, 11:34:13 AM 
Started by canadianseeker - Last post by canadianseeker
Hello everyone, happy to be here!

I've been lurking around this site for some time finally decided to make my first post... I was led here by a long time interest in the paranormal and during searching discovered some information about Wicca. It didn't take long before I realized that it resonated with me in a way that my Christian upbringing never did, and I hope to learn more.

I'm not jumping into anything at present, merely studying and looking for information to find out if this is truly for me. It's a big decision to dedicate to a new path, I feel like taking my time is the best choice.

Looking forward to learning more, and talking to as many as I can who are willing to share their knowledge.

 on: May 03, 2017, 07:07:13 AM 
Started by cheese - Last post by cheese
Nice to see that things don't really change 'round here.  :p

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