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 on: January 17, 2018, 04:58:22 PM 
Started by cheese - Last post by arrowolf
I have received and read the OBOD introductory, and am glad I did. I will be continuing on this journey with OBOD. It is helped bring somethings into focus, and explained somethings I have experienced throughout my life.

 on: January 13, 2018, 04:30:48 AM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by blue
 I had to think on it for a time A.W. One might say that a practice of the craft can take on any number of different forms. If i understand correctly, what you would be describing is a form of spell casting that manifests a change in the outer world. It's been awhile since i've practiced that way. You know how it is ... you tend to forget over time.

 With me, it was a process of raising myself to a higher energy level so that i could intend a shift in the assemblage point of perception. First, i had to be able to use that shift to be able to "see" how to accomplish the task at hand. The next step was to apply "unbending intent" -or- "will" to channel that energy to accomplish the objective.

 I wouldn't say that the craft shouldn't be practiced this way but there are a lot of downsides. It requires quite an expenditure of energy and i wonder if a part of that energy is one's life force.

 As i've gotten older i don't feel as though i've got as much of that wild & untamed energy on tap. It may simply be that i've gotten better at using it more efficiently by manifesting very small changes that ultimately result in the butterfly effect ? I prefer to operate at a much lower energy state these days so that my assemblage point doesn't dither about so wildly. As you get older your passions cool and you operate more by reason & logic.

 I was trying to think of how you could go about getting that monkey off your back while minimizing the karmic blowback. Of course there's the hex, the curse, and the binding but that can get messy. Petitioning one's higher power to intercede should be fairly harmless.

 I'm just wondering .... the person or entity that's got it's sights set on your destruction is channeling power as well. That's an ego driven thing that ultimately leads to madness. You can't reason somebody out of their crazy but you can re-direct their energy so that it's not aimed at you.

 Maybe one hard energy blow to their assemblage point ?

 Perhaps even crazier ...... If they've fallen victim to the arrogance and madness of power there's a good chance they're well down the left hand path and are living in their own personal hell of negativity. Cast a blessing spell that brings a little joy & happiness into their life. It probably won't hold but it might re-direct them for awhile.

 This would be consistent with the principle of harm none ? A threefold return, if such a thing exists, would enrich the quality of your own life while pacifying your adversary ?

 on: January 11, 2018, 04:08:44 PM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by arrowolf
I have been in the business world myself. The saying goes that business is business and nothing more, so you have to be thick skinned. I always try to overlook things. Then you have those who make things personal and seek to do harm to you(not necessarily meaning physically). There is collateral damage which is a part of business, but it is different when someone goes out of their way and makes it continuous whether it is work or in personal life. Then I request aid in dealing with the situation. That being said, I have only done it 3 times in 25 years. Once the ritual is done I move on. The ritual is done alone of course, and no one but me is aware of who all is entailed. I will not go into any of them as I said it is all left at the ritual.

I know not everyone believes the same as I do, but that is what makes this place so great. I have my beliefs, but I am always open to the thoughts of others. Being close minded does nothing but close the door to growth. It is nice to be able to share the way we are. Thank you

 on: January 11, 2018, 03:26:13 PM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by blue

 I think i might understand somewhat. One might say that a ritual practice of the craft is an experience that one emerges from as a changed person. If one can release the negativity they can release the thing that is vexing the I self. In this case ... it would be a frustrated desire for justice ? Fix how one feels about a thing and it fixes the problem ? Balance is restored ?

 Imagine the harm that could come from holding on to a grudge. The stress could ruin one's health, pollute the mind with negativity, and poison the spirit. Turn it loose on the world through spell casting would surely invite a threefold return and the whole thing would just feed on itself.

 Definitely better to let it roll off your back than to feed energy into it.

 My approach is somewhat different. I've been in the business world for a couple of decades. You have to grow a thick skin or all of the hurts and injustices will drive you crazy. I aspire not to take the things that others say or do personally. For the most part, people always do the best that they're capable of. If they could do any differently than they would. They just don't know any better. They do all kinds of horrible ignorant things.

 If you avoid taking on the negativity then it can't torture you. It helps with maintaining balance & peace of mind. Keeps one on track with a minimum of unnecessary conflict. That way you can devote more energy into serving your people and making profit. In a highly competitive environment one can't afford the luxury of allowing distractions from one's purpose.

 on: January 11, 2018, 09:31:25 AM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by arrowolf
If I was to do a Karma rite or seek "karma justice", there are certain criteria that have to be met. As we have stated, there are people who will step on others to get their own way. There are leaders, politicians, business executives, and working class people who are like that, and you will get no perceived justice with them unless you become them. The idea of justice for me is very rare to seek in a ritual because there is a natural order of things and believing differently will lead to much disappointment. When I do it is because that person(s) have gone out of their way to do wrong and continue to do so on that person even when their goal as been met. Not only that, but their goal is more for your demise than their success. I believe, thus far have not been wrong, that a cry or rite of justice(generally called karma) can be done or sought in certain circumstances. Some could say that when they(persons doing wrong) go down that path there will be retribution as it is inevitable. That might very well be true. I guess a karma ritual could be simply classified as a testimony to the powers that be. What he/she/they(depending on your belief of authority) do from there is out of your hands. The important thing is that you have cleansed yourself of that negativity.

 on: January 11, 2018, 03:01:03 AM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by blue

 I tend to take my lessons from nature. There's a thing called natural law and survival of the fittest. I see it in play when i watch a murder of crows or a herd of deer. There are a few leaders (alphas) here and there and the rest are followers ( betas ). There's always a competition for resources and jockeying for status within the group. The leader's time at the top is quite limited. They're constantly under fire from younger members that want their leadership position. Eventually the leader becomes exhausted and falls victim to some young upstart that's just a little bit smarter or a little bit faster.

 It's really no different with humans. We're animals too.

 It's a sad truth, but people stepping on each other's heads is just part of the great competition that's life. That's the way it's supposed to be.

 One could argue that natural justice is dispensed to those who would seek to deny the law? They get what they deserve in life while others prosper ?

 I know .... it can be disturbing to look at things that way but what if it's the truth ?

 Mother nature is both cruel and kind.

 on: January 09, 2018, 07:52:50 AM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by arrowolf
Great points. Karma is subjective in that not all those who should get theirs do. There are quite a few people who get where they are by stepping on others. It will always be that way I guess, but seeking Karma is looking for some form of justice which is rather natural and been done for centuries in one form or another. You must understand that justice will come when it is time whether it be this life or the next.

 on: January 09, 2018, 06:07:56 AM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by blue

 ~ Just bouncing ideas around. ~

 Think it all the way through. We've both got lots of years behind us. As you start to get older you become more aware of the history of things. Eventually you make the connections and come to realize that there really is nothing new under the sun. It's all been said and done before in a hundred different ways. Ideas that are solid stand the test of time. Poor ideas come and go with the times.

 A lot of the New Age stuff really is just nonsense but some of it is stuff that's been around for thousands of years. It's just been re-branded and re-packaged in a different tradition.

 There's the biblical thing about bread cast upon the water.

 What about Daniel and the Lion's den ? That's a story about a guy living in a state of grace.

 Pick out a rich guy you know. Look at how his life unfolded in an objective way. Is he really all that well off or is he still paying the price of success ?

 You don't have to have lots of money to have a happy life. In fact ... sometimes all that material stuff is a hindrance to the growth & evolution of your spirit.

 on: January 07, 2018, 09:07:48 AM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by oldghost

The three fold return is new age fluffy stuff  and has no real historical evidence behind it . It goes on the false pretense that if your nice to others then nice they will be back , it's thinking like that , that gets people in trouble .

In Witchcraft it is not the three is all you need for a coven it is the old way of the passing on of the knowledge , Grandmother , daughter , granddaughter . Following the cycle anew when the granddaughter has kids and her mother would the be the grandmother when her mother died and with the life expectancy be around 40 -50 years for common folks it can take on the tri folded say of Crone , Mother , Maiden in a different light .

As for Karma well it is what you make of it , you are the ones who make your own karma because you are the ones who make up what is good , bad , right on wrong . If only bad things happen to bad people then how come this world is full rich evil people while good nice people struggle daily and live in conditions all over the world . That saying you'll pay for it in your next life doesn't work unless you are fully aware of the other live . Think on it this way if you get reincarnate to make amends then should you not be aware of it and aware of the people you harmed in the last live and help them in their new lives ?.

 on: January 04, 2018, 11:02:55 PM 
Started by Fluffy1 - Last post by blue

 I haven't gone back to re-read the thread from the start but i've heard of the law of threefold return. Back in the day they used to say that "what goes around comes around". The biblical texts talk about "bread cast upon the water". Ask a scientist, and he/she might talk about "the principle of cause & effect".

 To me: It just seems like different people talking about the same basic idea. Each has their own particular way of talking about it.

 One might say that what you put out there is what comes back to you. If talking about threefold return it might be that what you put out there returns to affect you in body,mind, and spirit. If that's true then we want to be the best people we can be because we will all pay for our sins in this lifetime. Bad things do happen to good people but for the most part we create our own environment. It can be a good life or a crappy life. It's all in the choices we make.

 Karma seems like a different idea. It's more about reincarnation. The idea is that we are intended to grow and evolve from one lifetime to the next. Good Karma or bad Karma are things that we carry with us from one lifetime to the next. They can help or hinder us in the growth and evolution of our spirit to it's highest form. No opinion on that one .... gonna have to wait till i die to see if anything is waiting on the other side.

 If you're talking about the POWER of three that's an entirely different thing. Maybe that's a Wiccan thing ? It only takes three to make a coven ? Just guessing but that would go back to early trad Wicca that maintained properly lineaged covens ? That might have more to do with correct governance within the coven in that they need at least three to constitute a quorum ?

 Anyway ... it's all just speculation and opinion on my part. Somebody else might look at it in an entirely different way.

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