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 on: March 27, 2017, 05:18:09 PM 
Started by oldghost - Last post by Canis
Bright blessings to all of our TCC family.

 on: March 26, 2017, 12:13:17 PM 
Started by oldghost - Last post by marisol
Bright blessings to both of you.  ;)

 on: March 21, 2017, 07:36:06 PM 
Started by oldghost - Last post by oldghost
An to you also Big D . Hope your daughter and grandson are in good health and spirits .

An yes to all those here and their families , to those of you expecting a new members a Blessing for them may this world have new hope for their future's .

 on: March 21, 2017, 05:08:58 PM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by Alchymist
Of course the standard orthodox interpretation of the Garden of Eden story is mistaken; that, it seems to me, was entirely my point. Perhaps, if we go back far enough, it was all a misunderstanding of an ancient shamanic initiation ritual........

And here's another "What if....?" for you all to chew on...

What if Aleister Crowley and Gerald Gardner collaborated in inventing Wicca to keep dangerous idiots out of Thelema? This is a thesis put forward by one Thomas Sheridan at

Have those of you who have known a friend who dabbled in Wicca ever noticed that their time as a Wiccan was mostly an explorative stage which essentially open-minded and inquisitive people go through following their resulting disillusionment with traditional mainstream religions? But they never seem to stick with it beyond posting the occasional meme to their Facebook wall? After an initial bout of enthusiasm, soon they become weary of all the 'difficult people' they encounter within the Wiccan movement? I myself could put the number of people that have stated this to me somewhere in the hundreds. 
The only long-term hardcore Wiccans we tend to encounter are, by all accounts, some of the most belligerent and vindictive people around. Casting 'lemon spells' (which do not work) on their ex-partners, their neighbours or anyone else who has had the misfortune to have had a disagreement with them. Often arrogant and filled with righteous indignation and socially isolated from all those around them, these 'solitary practitioners' tend to be completely wrapped up in themselves and seem incapable of compromise, decency and respect for others. Chain-smoking and vindictive rages are rarely optional. 
Now just imagine if such unhealthy people were to have access to, and working knowledge of, Thelema: a deep well of intense, esoteric magic based on centuries-old canons of voluminous theory, along with challenging and difficult practice.

This, I hasten to add, is Thomas Sheridan's own opinion, not mine. I merely present it here as a topic for cogitation and discussion. From my own experience of both Wicca and Thelema - and admittedly my own experience of the latter dates from almost 30 years ago - the "dangerous idiots" were at that time not only in Thelema, but running the show. Anyone on this forum who has experience of both, is welcome to comment.

Sheridan then contends that Wicca was later co-opted by the CIA, along with sundry UFO and Space Brothers cults, again as a diversionary tactic to mislead radical thinkers:

In the post-traditional Christianity days of the 1960's, the CIA were looking to create cults and religious fanatics in order to divert intelligent and idealistic people away from real political activism and have them waiting for the “space brothers” or the end of world (pick a date, any date will do) instead.

I suspect that Sheridan is heading dangerously close to paranoia here; but I suppose a case could be made that paranoia is the only sensible response to current political happenings. Personally, I can't imagine genuinely "intelligent and idealistic" people getting involved in stupid UFO cults (think Heaven's Gate or the Unariuns), but stranger things have happened - good heavens, stranger things are happening right now, right under our noses.

Blessed Be everyone, and may She Whom the Stars Serve protect you....


 on: March 21, 2017, 03:47:16 PM 
Started by oldghost - Last post by Draconis Rex
Bright blessings to you also at this Vernal Equinox J. And to all the rest of our TCC family too.

 on: March 21, 2017, 08:08:34 AM 
Started by oldghost - Last post by oldghost
Once more spring is open us ,the time for the warning of the land and the start of new life . While we celebrate the Goddess we do forget about the God the one that governs the wild side of new lives . The fawn jumping with its new legs the calling of a click for another work the cubs having mock battles with their litter mates. While the Goddess bring the new life into the world it is the Green Man of the Woods that gives them their mischievous ways . Enjoy this season and go kick  up your heels again and have some fun . Good​ time to start getting your garden growning .

For those of you of the First People tonight is the first night of the beginning of Falcon Moon , the Awakening time.

This night is also known to the Celtic people as the Moon of Winds .

In medieval times this time of the year the last quarter Moon 🌒 was known as the Chaste Moon ?.

The Element today is Fire it's plant is the Dandelion and the gem is the Opal . The function of this day is to start things going .

Please if you have kids don't buy them a real bunny . To many are abandoned an are left to starve .

Let this season bring new and wonderful things into your life's . Have a glass of last year's Dandelion wine .

 on: March 19, 2017, 03:03:18 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Firesong
For me, an offering is as simple as an energy exchange.

 on: March 19, 2017, 03:02:06 PM 
Started by Alchymist - Last post by Firesong
The underlying myth of Western (which means, essentially, Christian) culture seems to be the Garden of Eden story from the Book of Genesis, which I’m sure we’re all familiar with at least in outline.

The standard orthodox interpretation is that the Hebrew god Yahweh (or Iaoue; I’ve given my reasons for the alternative spelling elsewhere on the Forum), the sole Creator of the Universe, planted a beautiful garden “eastward in Eden” and placed the male and female human beings, Adam and Eve, in the garden with strict instructions not to eat the fruit from one particular tree that grew in the centre of the garden, because “in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.” Then along comes the wily Serpent, who is the Devil in disguise, who speaks to the woman, Eve, telling her that Iaoue’s prohibition is not true; “God knows ye shall not die, but thine eyes shall be opened.” So Adam and Eve eat the fruit, they don’t die and their eyes are indeed opened, they see that they are naked, are ashamed (for reasons that are never made perfectly clear) and cover themselves with fig leaves. In punishment for their disobedience, Iaoue expels them from the garden and visits various other punishments on them – and also on the Serpent. All their descendants inherit the blame for Adam and Eve’s “sin”, but can be redeemed if they accept Iaoue’s son Ieshua (Latinised into “Jesus”) as their personal Lord and Saviour.

The only problem with any "orthodox" interpretation, is that what may appear that way, may be something very different when the surface is scratched;  In Orthodox Jewish Kabbalah, the Garden of Eden is an allegory.  The snake is not the devil.  The "devil" doesn't exist; there is Satan, but he is not in competition with G-d, but a servant; not evil.  They believe that G-d created everything, good and evil.

The snake is a catalyst, which in the end produces free will, responsibility, and personal accountability.  Nothing evil about that.

The original Tora scroll is composed of ancient Hebrew; each is exactly the same in terms of content, for a reason; it was given by G-d, written by G-d, with the strick admonition that nothing will be added or taken away.

Any translation of Ancient Hebrew will only give a small part of the real meaning of Tora.  The scroll is evaluated by scholars through the "pardes", which represent the for levels of interpretation:

P'shat - literal interpretation
Remez or Remesh - interpretation of allegory and metaphor
Derash or Drosh - interpretation with the assistance of additional information, such as Oral Torah.
Sod - interpretation with the aid of the metaphysical, such as Kabbalah.

If Tora changed to another language, any other language, three-fourths of it's meaning is completely torched. 

This is something that many, especially Christians, have no clue about.  The entire concept of Judeo/Christian is basically oxymoronic, because they really have almost nothing in common, beyond their bastardized version of Tora and The rest of the Jewish cannon...

The "Devil", is a romantic creation of Christian poets.  The entire war is heaven is basically ridiculous, from a Jewish point of view.  There can be no war, because there is only one side... G-d's side.

Now angels, archangels, demons, now we're talkin...

 on: March 19, 2017, 02:42:11 PM 
Started by Nymree - Last post by Firesong
In truth are we not all immortal, with the essence of G-d(s)(ess) as the essential spark of life?  Is that not what pulls us all together?

gods and morals are an interesting topic because each god has it's own, and the followers of the god won't have any problem with them, regardless of what may be involved.  Religion is generally used to provide us with access to those gods and keep us closely controlled within a narrow band of practices.  I believe this is true of all religion. 

There is no truth in religion; like politics, it's naught but a carrot on a stick. It is used to lead... anywhere where you can let yourself be led...

 on: March 15, 2017, 05:20:10 AM 
Started by lady stardust - Last post by marisol
Welcome Lady Stardust. TCC has much to offer, enjoy your time with us.


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