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Ashe Isadora

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Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« on: August 29, 2015, 10:19:13 PM »

This phrase has become commonplace in public rituals, and practically a requirement in some pagan traditions. It's especially common during cakes and ale. I'm curious  if TCC members are comfortable or put off by this phrase.

To the best of my knowledge this was borrowed from Robert Heinlein's Stranger In A Strange Land several decades ago by the founders of CAW.  But its later adoption by Wiccans, Eclectics and Dianics is telling.

What do you think this phrase means? Does it mesh well with your pagan beliefs or not?
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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2015, 09:54:54 AM »

Not sure what it means , different people can have it mean different things . To me it seems to be saying you can be more then what you are to go beyond the average to a higher level ( in this case ) awareness .

Personality to me it sound a little silly .
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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2015, 09:57:20 AM »

Not sure what it means , different people can have it mean different things . To me it seems to be saying you can be more then what you are to go beyond the average to a higher level ( in this case ) awareness .

Personality to me it sound a little silly .
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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2015, 11:30:32 AM »

To me, it's a validation of my core beliefs.  I believe in universal connection.  In a Christian sense, I view being "made in the image" as a statement that within me lies the spark (image/soul) of the divine, which is interconnected with everything else.

What I find interesting, is at the Quantum level, there appears to be no uniqueness between what is alive and what is not... all things eventually break down to exactly the same particle, the Higgs boson which some have deemed the "God particle".

To me, it says that we need to feed on what we have in common rather than argue about our differences, because this infers that at our most basic level we are all the same, and there are no differences, regardless of what we may or may not believe.

Simply, to me, it says, "It's all good..."
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2015, 04:59:03 PM »

I have often said that we are all "Star Stuff"; It's a quote that comes from Babylon 5 but it rings true when you think about it.

"The molecules of your body are the same molecules that make this station and the nebula outside, that burn inside the stars themselves. We are star-stuff. We are the Universe, made manifest, trying to figure itself out. And, as we have both learned, sometimes the Universe needs a change of perspective."
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Babylon 5 is one of my top favourites, Delenn (Mira Furlan) is one of my favourite characters too. Much of what she says is very enlightening.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2015, 10:25:56 PM »

I have often said that we are all "Star Stuff"; It's a quote that comes from Babylon 5 but it rings true when you think about it.

"The molecules of your body are the same molecules that make this station and the nebula outside, that burn inside the stars themselves. We are star-stuff. We are the Universe, made manifest, trying to figure itself out. And, as we have both learned, sometimes the Universe needs a change of perspective."
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Babylon 5 is one of my top favourites, Delenn (Mira Furlan) is one of my favourite characters too. Much of what she says is very enlightening.

Yep... all the heavier elements like gold were created in the supernova of a star.  Every element was created shortly after the big bang as the universe grew and expanded, stars were born, then flared into supernovas, creating heavier and heavier elements.   
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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 06:33:50 AM »

I use it.  To be put off by it denies the tenets of Wicca.

Aye, of "star stuff" we ARE made, but we're speaking of the Spiritual, here.
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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2015, 06:00:58 AM »

I see no problem with using "Thou art Goddess. Thou art God."  To me it means we are all one with the Goddess and God. We all possess a divine spark. None more important than the other. We stand together as one.
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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2015, 01:13:17 PM »

I believe the greeting, in its present form, does indeed come from Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", as Ashe says; it was popularized by the Church of All Worlds, which was inspired by Heinlein's book, and then entered the general Pagan consciousness almost by osmosis (and perhaps through the CWA magazine "Green Egg", which was widely read by the Pagan community outside the CWA until it stopped publication in 2000; I believe it is still available as an E-zine at greeneggzine.com).

It is similar in intent to the Sanskrit greeting Namaste,
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"an ancient Sanskrit greeting still in everyday use in India and especially on the trail in the Nepal Himalaya. Translated roughly, it means "I bow to the God within you", or "The Spirit within me salutes the Spirit in you" - a knowing that we are all made from the same One Divine Consciousness."

(From http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Namaste )

Our Pagan groups here in the Okanagan Valley almost all use it as the cakes and wine are being passed around the circle. Each offers the cup of wine, or plate of cakes, to his/her partner, with the words "May you never thirst" or "May you never hunger", as appropriate; the partner then replies "Thou art God/dess."

Blessed Be everyone,

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Re: Thou Art Goddess. Thou Art God.
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2015, 09:42:06 AM »

I see no problem with using "Thou art Goddess. Thou art God."  To me it means we are all one with the Goddess and God. We all possess a divine spark. None more important than the other. We stand together as one.

I agree!

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We are golden" ~ Joni Mitchell
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