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Re: How do you know if you're a witch?
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2018, 05:25:19 PM »

You still get many that think Witches worship the Devil . This still has strong roots in some country's where being said that your a Witch will get you killed . Home many people have come on here and said they feared to let people know what they were because of where they lived in this country .

Even here in Canada, today, it is still possible to run afoul of the law for "pretending" to be a Witch . .
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Canada's last witch trials: Women accused of fake witchcraft

By Robin Levinson-King
BBC News, Toronto
30 October 2018

A law against pretending to practise witchcraft will soon be repealed in Canada. But that hasn't stopped local police from prosecuting those who use the "dark arts" to bilk people for thousands of dollars.

Two Canadian women have been charged with pretending to practise witchcraft, breaking a little-known law in Canada's criminal code that could soon be out the door.

The first charge was levied against Dorie "Madeena" Stevenson, a fortune teller from Milton, Ontario on 18 October after a months-long investigation.

She is accused of defrauding a client of C$60,000 ($45,700; 35,700) in cash and property.

A week later, Toronto psychic Samantha Stevenson was also arrested in a similar but unrelated investigation.
Police allege she convinced a man the only way to get rid of "evil spirits" in his home would be to sell it, and transfer the proceeds into her account.

The accused often advertise themselves as a psychic or religious healer, and demand large sums of money to help remove curses or evil spirits from clients, police say.

"What we typically see is a tendency for perpetrators to take advantage of persons when they are in their most vulnerable state," wrote Det Sgt Dave Costantini of Halton Regional Police, in a press release.

. . . . although the actual crime is obviously fraud rather than Witchcraft, but still . . .

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Re: How do you know if you're a witch?
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2018, 01:14:42 PM »

So if there is a law to make it a crime to pretend to be a Witch does that mean in CANADA that if your a real Witch its okay to practice Witchcraft ?.
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Re: How do you know if you're a witch?
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2018, 06:36:54 PM »

Here it is:
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The law:

Section 365 of the Canadian Criminal Code, R.S. 1985,c.C-46 is one of a group of five offenses which deal with false pretenses. It states:


"Every one who fraudulently

      (a) pretends to exercise or to use any kind of witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment or conjuration,

      (b) undertakes, for a consideration, to tell fortunes, or

      (c) pretends from his skill in or knowledge of an occult or crafty science to discover where or in what manner anything that is supposed to have been stolen or lost may be found,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction." 1



Section 361 defines a false pretence:


(1) "A false pretence is a representation of a matter of fact either present or past, made by words or otherwise, that is known by the person who makes it to be false and that is made with a fraudulent intent to induce the person to whom it is made to act on it."

(2) "Exaggerated commendation or depreciation of the quality of anything is not a false pretence unless it is carried to such an extent that it amounts to a fraudulent misrepresentation of fact." 2


Meaning of the law:

The term "summary conviction" means that the offense is minor, vaguely like a misdemeanor in the U.S. The maximum penalty is $500.00 in Canadian dollars (about $530 in U.S. funds in 2007-NOV) and/or six months in jail.

From a Wiccan standpoint, there are two key words in this law: fraudulently and pretends. An offense is committed only when both of the following are present:
 
 A person displays an intent to defraud. That implies that something is lost in the exchange -- typically money or some tangible asset. 
 A person does not actually engage in some Wiccan practice, but only pretends to do so.

There is a long-standing tradition that Wiccans do not charge for their services, whether it is the creation of a spell or the teaching of an educational course. If a Wiccan were to follow this rule, then there is little probability that they could legitimately be charged under the law.

The law seems to be unevenly applied. Most newspapers contain advertisements by psychics; 900 lines are promoted on television; psychic fairs are periodically held in most large cities. One source estimates that there are in excess of 10,000 practicing psychics in Canada. 3 Prosecutions are rare. One charge was made against a psychic who allegedly accepted large sums of money to remove a curse from a gullible victim. 4  He was acquitted. However, as long as the law is on the books, there is the potential for police misuse of the legislation.

References:
1. "Criminal Code, Part IX," Federation of Law Societies of Canada, at: http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-46/sec365.html 
2. "Consolidated statutes of Canada," at: http://members.tripod.com/legalrorke/CCC/360.htm 
3. Rob McConnell, "Telling fortunes in Canada is against the law and is found in Article 365 of the Criminal Code," 'X' Chronicles, at: http://www.xzone-radio.com/Clipping/psychics.html 
4. " 'Satish Jaitly' charged with 'Pretending to practice Witchcraft," at:  http://www.torstar.com/oracle/news/This link is no longer active

Copyright 2000 to 2007 by Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
 Originally written: 2000-DEC-24
 Latest update: 2007-NOV-02
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Re: How do you know if you're a witch?
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2018, 02:06:16 AM »

So what it is really about is "excessive" money exchanged for services or false practices... pretending... rather than actual practice. That would be shaky when belief is involved. How does one trust a person really believes what they are doing rather than showboating for attention or unearned elder status respect from the general practicing population?
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Re: How do you know if you're a witch?
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2018, 07:10:22 PM »

If you have to pay for it you'll never get anything but poorer . If it's a crime to pretend then they should state that there are those who practice it for real .
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