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Draconis Rex

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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #150 on: March 17, 2016, 05:58:22 PM »

Indeed, but there is the thing; most of us eclectics aren't really bothered about being labelled, tagged or classified, we are what we are and that's it. We borrow from other paths and other trads, we change, we adjust and we adapt what we need to suit our needs; How can that possibly be labelled?
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #151 on: March 18, 2016, 01:53:08 PM »

We are Legion , for we our many . I think Frankenstein's monster said that .
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #152 on: March 18, 2016, 02:04:03 PM »

I thought that came from the book of Revelations....
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2016, 02:28:46 PM »

Wasn't that a Beatles song 🐞?.
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2016, 03:25:22 PM »

Ah yes, Children of the revelation....... Is that right??? ::) ::)
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #155 on: March 21, 2016, 08:09:18 PM »

Ah yes, Children of the revelation....... Is that right??? ::) ::)


Ah, extreme radicals and the close minded government during the Vietnam War. Great song by John Lennon. Don't hear much of his music around here on the radio. But its everywhere else on you tube and Beatles radio .com. About a year ago I had a John Lennon
T-shirt on and my son said, "You know he was a socialist don't ya?". Does anyone write good protest songs anymore? I remember
(and this is dating me) I had the very first Beatle album when I was a kid.

I don't think this is about eclecticism in the craft tho. I couldn't help myself. ;D
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #156 on: May 11, 2016, 06:59:16 AM »

Firstly, Wow. I love this forum. I check in once and a while, and I'm always happy when I do. So many viewpoints, opinions, and experiences!!

Secondly, my thoughts on the OP: I'm new to this path. Officially following this winding road for a little over a year. I heard the term Eclectic Witch, and thought "That sounds about right," because I am often referred to as an eclectic person, in general. But now after reading all these posts I can see why it might or might not bother someone! I'm not bothered by the title personally.

As far as how I think of myself...I called myself a Witchician. Because it makes me giggle, and also, I think it's accurate. There is a lot of witchcraft and wicca that I just love, and really drives my rituals, but there's a bit of chaos magician in me that likes the idea of a practice completely removed from spirituality and religion and just uses my will to create change. Sometimes I feel spiritual, and sometimes I feel practical.

I also didn't know "high" and "low" magic was such a heated topic. Personally, I didn't think of it in those terms. I just, through trial and error, find out what works for me and what doesn't. I had heard the terms, but didn't know much about it. Reading Ashe's post that each is just a descriptor of if you are trying to commune with deity or not makes sense to me. I can't feel upset or offended, I supposed, because I didn't know there was anything to be upset about...(I had a similar experience with some choice curse words in high school after leaving a very sheltered homeschool life  :-p)

I think it's the words themselves that could put people on edge just by the fact that "high" (being above than) and "low" (being lower/less than) have attachments that might make one feel that one group thinks they're better than another. In my limited experience, magic practicing people have been pretty darn open-minded.

I guess the short answer is, I believe, there are an infinite number of ways to use magic and create change. People who follow very specific paths may find this "anything goes" approach awful, but if it works it works. Why does it matter how we get our results if we're happy and not hurting anyone? I've found that when I try to force it, or feel like "I have to do this thing on this day at this time" it doesn't feel right, but when I do something impromptu (not haphazard!) I find the whole process goes much more smoothly.

How about we all do what works for us, and not get bent out of shape when someone does it differently?  :-p  ;)
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #157 on: May 17, 2016, 11:41:51 AM »

I'm not sure about the whole 'anything goes' idea. I consider myself an eclectic but hopefully a thoughtful one. I do pick and choose from various traditions and ideas but it isn't a free for all, anything goes, grab and run with it style. Its a careful consideration, checks and balances on a personal level kind of process. Does it fit to what I already do or work with my personal beliefs? If not it's out. If so it gets played with a bit to see how well it works. I think there is a wild misconception that eclectic means almost spastic where it really isn't. Whatever idea or practice is in question, it does have to make some sort of sense in order to make enough sense to add and use. At least in my mind that's how it works.

I know I posted on this before but in my mind High magic seems more formal, ceremonial, pretty rigid in practice. Catholic Mass seems on line. Anything that calls up a full formal circle and calls quarters and/or watch towers, deity or demon seems to also apply. Low magic is more flexible and less formal and is often on the fly as needed. Folk magic and earth based magic seems more that way as I've seen it. Both seem to have their place and order but I don't see high and low as a judgement call but rather a classification.

I used to think it had to do with religious ties, where High magic deals with some conscious entity outside yourself and low magic was more about your ability to manage the energies around yourself, but I think either can involved deity or be more symbolic instead. I am undecided as I've seen strong cross overs be successful and has more to do with the beliefs and state of mind of the practitioner on the whole.
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #158 on: May 18, 2016, 10:45:27 AM »

As I see it ,  High Magic is a ceremony aimed at a specific purpose with the uses of special preparation's and tools . An what you can call Low Magic as everyday rituals . This would be where you use the same tools , the same type of circle . As I said somewhere else , High Magic can take time to do as in it has to be done on a certain exact time with items that have to be gathered at a different time and for an example they have to be age to the peak of ripeness . While Low Magic can be done daily and when one has the time .

As you said AmberHawk , getting a jumble of different things together only leaves you with a mess .. What you take from different paths must compliment each other for them to work at all .It's better to have thing that work in harmony with each other .

If one had full knowledge of all paths , one would see how many do things that are similar and can be joined with other paths with no problems.
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Re: Eclecticism in the Craft
« Reply #159 on: May 19, 2016, 05:29:43 AM »

Magic in general has to be pretty specific and focused either way or it doesn't work well, regardless of high or low. I just see Ceremonial as a lot more ceremonial, time specific and drawn out while low seems to be flexible, not so ceremonial, and pulled out as needed in the moment. Ceremonial demands the circle proper respects to all drawn into it while, at least in my experience, low magic doesn't necessarily.

I don't think anyone can possibly know all forms of magical practice but to be familiar with aspects of both high and low from several traditions would be enough to give you ideas about the similarities and the differences. I think regardless of how much one might know, what actually works for them best is what they lean on. Ceremony is too distracting for me as I focus too much on the how's and if I'm getting it right instead of what it is I'm trying to accomplish.
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