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Wise Women
« on: August 28, 2010, 04:54:13 AM »

One of the most important things to me, or rather, something that has come to be even more important to me than it had been even in the previous years of my life is basic wisdom. Not scholarly, genious-rivaling intellegence, just more 'common sense' and usable knowledge. There seems to have been a great educating movement going on around me. If there are not masses in church, there are masses in political parties, or masses at the gym, masses in the colleges. It is important to grow and to continually be learning, as it is 'life of life' to do so, but what about the home and relationships that seem to be forsaken in the mean time? Are they sustainable?

Stress, fatigue, and yet the 'drive' to accomplish so much more than what one already has is running our country into the ground one person/marriage/family at a time, it seems. I've seen this being referred to as 'The Machine', and seriously, we are the ones empowering it to be what it is and what it will become. I am not an activist, for the most part. I'm not even sure I have that kind of ability to provoke others, toting signs and speaking wonders, however, I am a wife, I am a mother, and one day I have every hopes of my life representing basic wisdom.

What does religion have to do with this? For me, it is grounding that cannot be easily moved. It is literally the corner stone of just about everything I focus on. Do I want to control the world? Not even a little. But I do want to be a part of the bigger better picture. My faith in God is not completely blind, my understanding of work is not without effort, my appreciation and respect for the sciences cannot be appropriately expressed.

Wise women are not just women that stay home and make the life choices that I have made, of course. I will probably always be the one knowing 'better' than to butt heads too hard with my line of authorities. ;D Wise women, however, is a broad term I use for successful women within whatever life role they have either chosen of submitted to. Is this the wiccan way? Perhaps it is merely the process and not the destination that better defines the path. It is necessary for there to be differences among us. It is also necessary that we look toward one another with the kind of understanding that provokes appreciation and a healthy level of *gringe* co-dependancy. Oohhhh, I'm sure the bells are going off with that word, but within a thriving unite of people, it is just as necessary to be co-dependent as it is self-sufficient.

Here is part of my point, aside from the above, because I came from what ways I have, I understand the perfect picture of Christ to be that of unconditional love and self-sacrifice (there is much, much more than that, but I don't want to make this a bible lesson). There are so many things that make sense to me as a wife and mother with this idea in mind. The fact, though, that Christ is not the only god-appointed position, there is far more than can be disclosed within this post than can convey just how many levels of 'value(s)' we, as indviduals truly represent. Yes, even, and especially those of us who are more agnostic and those of us who are more atheist than not.

It is very interesting to me that there be wars among us, tryin to 'deliver' people from themselves, their chosen paths and/or lifestyles. It is also interesting to me that too few seem to understand that perhaps those very differences, those very divisions are the things that keep us thriving, keep us provoked, those things keep us, for lack of an ingenious vocabulary, 'saved'.

I focused this on the role of wise women, because frankly, to me, we have the ability to gain depths that few men do or care to. I am not making a sexist statement more than just stating an observation. There have been men that do acquire great levels of depth, and most probably understand things that I may never be able to wrap my thoughts around, but more on point, we women were made to be purposefully functional and empowered by a great many things that amaze me more every day. To do away with our individual ways, to smooth out every wrinkle within society, to eradicated every bit of opposition would only encourage the worst of depression and stagnancy.
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 04:23:08 PM »

Too many points there.. I'll dare to question the latter paragraph right now..

A resourceless single caring mother is the most challenged 'role' that I can think of. I'm familiar with the lives of some women (one of them a close friend) who are divorced/widowed have young children and no help or funds apart from Welfare (which in my country is peanuts).

Thalia (my friend) has managed to survive in a rather surprising way.. She did that out her own determination and her will of her two children not to get 'outcasted' due to poverty..

Thalia is a fighter. Before a door got slammed in her face she knew what the next door she'd knock would be. Do I think she's wise? Yes. Do I think she would be in anycase? No..

I can relate with you to what you believe of a 'Wise Woman'.. I wouldn't specify that on women alone. It's not that much of an ability rather than 'forced' procedure for many women.

I think the 'hardest' Wisdom is what you gain out of your own free Will, role and sex free.
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 04:53:13 AM »

The smallest ironies in life keep me entertained, especially within my own head. (This goes without saying, I'm sure.)

This board, in general, has opened a lot up for me that isn't so spiritually attuned, yet 'my way' is to filter most everything through what I have thus far established, um, spiritually. It is almost not even the right word any more, "spiritually", but a broad term that has come to mean many things within many levels.

"Wise in their own conceit" keeps me from trusting completely in my own ideologies and because I tend to not get much of a return to the depth of my posts, it just seems I'm being left more to 'myself' than I would like. Hahaha, yeah, I do get a good share of opposition, which I have come to realize is perhaps more to my benefit.

What do ya'll fear? Does no one else fear anything? Do women not fear loosing their husbands, anymore? Do husbands not care enough to actually keep, protect, and provide for their wives anymore? It almost seems that everything, from relationships to actual 'people' have become so insignificant and disposable! Do we, as a society, not care for individuals enough to allow them independant growth and opportunity? It seems sometimes these things are very much within sight, but rarely within reach. Perhaps this is the basic foundation of what 'survival of the spiritually fittest' is all about. Those who can overcome their individual obstacles, becoming not just a part of what enhances and influences society in the best and most productive ways, but also comes to learn from while teaching, and even leading while following.

It isn't, for me, about 'resting' within what I am most comfortable with inside my own conceit, it is, instead, revealing the massive potential that individual strength, hope, and charities that can and do make up the best of what society, in general, offers.

I used to say that I am not afraid of what is within my own head, but that is a foolish thing to trust in, as, without external exposures my potential would be like the encased nut in the shell, or, as someone subtly referenced to a few days ago, 'the man in the box'.

However strong and independant we as individuals become, it is one of the most relevant and important thing that we are still, and always will be, dependant upon one another in many ways and within many levels.

The eccentricity ;D of this basic understanding that helps me to be 'right at home' within my own head.
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 04:58:07 AM »

That, this, this, that. LOLA. My wording is still a bit off. If'n there be a way to align my vocabulary to my level of 'astral writing', it'd be worth the effort to me. ::)
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 08:08:13 AM »

I came across this, and I was going to post it under mythology, *lola* but could not locate it.

http://whoosh.org/issue12/ruffel3.html

Brave Women Warriors:

 The word Amazon is of unknown origin, however a folk etymology popped up which explained the word as being a deriviative of the preface "a-", meaning "without", followed by "mazos", meaning "breast". This folk etymology was supported by the folktale that Amazons cut off one breast to facilitate archery. However, this is most likely a story designed to discourage women from taking up archery. This speculation is supported by even the most casual observation of modern day female archers who are more than capable of using the bow with all breasts intact.
 Historically, Amazons were portrayed as beautiful women in Amazonomachies, which was an artform showing battles between the Amazons and Greeks. Amazons were trained to use all weapons and especially in single combat. They were honorable, courageous, brave and represented rebellion against sexism. Their tales spread quickly and soon stories of the Amazons were everywhere, including Africa, Asia, Europe, South America (the Amazon River was named after the female warriors), and North America in the mid-1900s with the comic book hero, Wonder Woman.

AMAZONS AS A PART OF OUR CULTURE

 The myths of the Amazons are a significant part of human culture. The Amazon myth was embraced by Greece, and from there spread all over the world. They were the earliest symbols of a society's fear of feminism. They questioned the order of life and rose against it. They would not allow themselves to be treated as less than human.
 Queen Penthesilea said it was the best when she was quoted at Troy, saying, "Not in strength are we inferior to men; the same our eyes, our limbs the same; one common light we see, one air we breathe; nor different is the food we eat. What then denied to us hath heaven on man bestowed."



;D Some strengths may only exist to sustain the weak, rather than abolish such.
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2010, 12:32:40 AM »

"Wise woman" is a beautiful title to which I hope to aspire. My very calling as a midwife could render me on the path to attaining it given that in some cultures the word for midwife is pretty much "wise woman". The French for example call us "Sage femme" which loosely translates as that term.

Midwives use science, medicine, research, and intuition in their practice (or at least the good ones do ;) ) and the "knowing" and "trusting" takes years to develop and tune into.

As such I have striven over the years to incorporate some of the ancient skills of the traditional wise woman into my own practice. Hence doctors, friends, and colleagues have laughingly knicknamed me "Midwitch" (even years before my interest in Wicca and the Pagan path hit me). I wear that label proudly and smile when one of my clients lovingly says "you are a witch". It is meant as a compliment and I take it as such.

Wise women recognize that their entire life is a journey of learning, and sharing information and knowledge. Wise women build up others, especially the women they work with and alongside, share their knowledge, skills, knowing and information and strive to better the world with those things.

Wise women also recognize not everyone is at a place in their lives where advice, opinion or knowledge is easily accepted or acted upon. I am thinking specifically when we can see a woman is in a violent relationship (for example) and we share the means to leave but the woman is not ready to do so....wise women smile and  accept that she is not ready, and remain there in support, loving, caring and poised ready to swoop in and help WHEN and IF the other woman becomes ready. This can be applied to all aspects of life, and I admit it is something I struggle with.

My journey towards wisdom still has a way to go.  :)
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2010, 08:51:50 AM »


What do ya'll fear? Does no one else fear anything? Do women not fear loosing their husbands, anymore? Do husbands not care enough to actually keep, protect, and provide for their wives anymore? It almost seems that everything, from relationships to actual 'people' have become so insignificant and disposable! Do we, as a society, not care for individuals enough to allow them independant growth and opportunity?

I dont fear losing any man...no woman should.  Even if you have made a man your sole financial security and he leaves...don't fear it...embrace it.

Marriages have become much more disposable.  It has its pros and cons.  Some marriages should be disposed of...and quickly! ;)  I am not sure how you referring to traditional roles of husband and wife tie in with independent growth as individuals..unless it is that very growth which doesnt allow for a marriage to sustain.

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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 08:10:23 AM »

Here is an important and interesting article. I don't have an opinion about many things, but some things are just necessary to 'observe'. It's nice to hear feedback from other wives/mothers. Sometimes our words as women are the only things that keep us from being considered as 'furniture' by the 'real activists' among us.

http://www.bpsmedicine.com/content/4/1/12

The parenting attitudes and the stress of mothers predict the asthmatic severity of their children: a prospective study
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 05:44:59 PM »



What do ya'll fear? Does no one else fear anything? Do women not fear loosing their husbands, anymore? Do husbands not care enough to actually keep, protect, and provide for their wives anymore? It almost seems that everything, from relationships to actual 'people' have become so insignificant and disposable!


Most importantly, I dont and have never, feared being alone - and I believe that MANY women do fear that. Which to me, is a sad indictment on womenkind and the indoctrination we have endured over our herstory.

I have always been a strong woman, capable, independant and able to care for myself. However, I enjoy living with others, cooperating, working as a team and being in a relationship. I enjoy MUTUALLY supportive relationships, that is to say, where both partners support and value each other, not force one to be reliant on the other.

So no, I did not fear losing my husband, however we often joked that we couldnt afford to divorce due to having too many children to support. When it did happen though, the first month was filled with terror: how will I cope? How will I feed/clothe/house them (he ran off with no intention of paying support or assisting me financially or physically with the remaining five dependant little kids). Mostly I was struck with the fear of never having time to myself, not a single minute of my waking hours as two of the kids still need full help with feeding, dressing, toileting etc and I knew I had to pick up a second job on top of the childcare, housework, mothering and coping with the emotional fallout. I lived in a void of black terror that I couldnt cope.

That lasted a month, whereupon I sat myself down and listed how I WAS coping already, how quickly things would improve, how I could speed this up and how much stronger I was, the kids were and our teamwork was. And then I chose to look forward not backward.

Three years later the kids and I are happy, coping financially (better than ever before in fact) and working smoothly as a team, every member valued and contributing, sharing the load and ENJOYING it.
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 05:45:51 PM »

Here is an important and interesting article. I don't have an opinion about many things, but some things are just necessary to 'observe'. It's nice to hear feedback from other wives/mothers. Sometimes our words as women are the only things that keep us from being considered as 'furniture' by the 'real activists' among us.

http://www.bpsmedicine.com/content/4/1/12

The parenting attitudes and the stress of mothers predict the asthmatic severity of their children: a prospective study


I'm sorry. I only browsed over this. I'm sure its valid research, but it smacks my undies that once again mothers are blamed for everything.
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 11:06:33 PM »

Mothers do seem to carry quite the load, be it by our nature or society's way of exposing our value for what it potentially is.

*lola* When I say 'fear of loosing one's hubby' it does 'smack' of a level of dependancy that is more frowned upon today from our women, but to me and within my life's choices it is a dependancy that as of this far has been well worth the price of not being personally successful outside of my family and it's relationships. One of the most enhancing things a woman can be, even modern women, is resourceful. How well an individual can cope and thrive without much money counters the rediculous 'instant gratification' expectations of many and today's multi-million dollar corporations that seem to have the need of a few 'poor minded' women.

I have had a few positions that I would have liked to go further with through the years of working with the local temp service, but be it timing or my level of social unpreparedness, they didn't pan out. In coming from the ways that I have, socialism and wall street business seems as illogical as throwing the end of day leftovers in the garbage instead of to the hungry, be it people, dogs, or pigs... But, that is my small-minded flaw. I often say I got married to have a man take care of the money issues, afterall, he earns the bulk of it.

I love what you post midwitch, it is awesome that you take such a level of pride in your depth. I had always thought being 'witchy' was about heritage and how much/what one will make out of what seems to be a melting pot of mush... A woman's gift, even. *lola* Not unlike stew.

Anyways. There's so much studying and reading to do, hahaha, in stead of carrying a label I could always be like Prince and just become a symbol, though even the symbolism of that carries a weighty depth that, well isn't unlike a cocoon(?).

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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 11:36:40 PM »

I enjoy your posts blue moon, they make me think. I dont always agree with you, but like how respectful you are even to those you disagree with.  ;)



I never really thought of myself as "witchy", more as a wise woman (or rather I ASPIRE to that wonderful title, and maybe one day in my crone years I will be worthy of it). My passion, calling, career, is midwifery, which in many cultures translated to 'wise woman'.

I have had the benefit of many wise women before me who have shared their wisdom along the way, and several years ago, I was blessed with the nickname "Midwitch" by a doctor I worked with. He called the other midwives "madwives" (nicely, he was never vindictive to anyone) but reserved "midwitch" for me. It has stuck with me for the past ten years and I wear the name with pride. Now all the doctors call me that, but they all respect me for my knowledge also.

I feel I am growing into the name.  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 12:21:27 AM »

Thanks. And your posts seem to represent exactly that.

I often watch many women and their ways, as most are so outspoken and carry an edge about them that I may never acquire. I have gained a profound level of respect for not our similarities but for our differences, and I hope to continue to develop an even greater depth as time passes.

My ways are just not usually sharable. My father was a drunkard and still suffers from the affects of his alcoholism. Because of my experiences and my natural temperment (or the lack of perhaps healthy anger) I approach and address things and people within my life much differently than I am suggested to.

Is it mousey and weak to be more reserved, or are there truths to the depths of still waters? I really could not boast of anything, as most days my investments with certain individuals seem to rarely be fruitful.

Pathology is a force yet unmatched. It is also very mentally and emotionally draining. I don't know if I need someone to light a proverbial fire under my ass or give me a safe haven to recooperate.

I have children whose home environment I am responsible for. All the aide within the world can only help as I allow. It is so very difficult to trust 'outsiders' to not distort things. Too many times people have the assumption that women who live with aggressive men want out or want someone to 'side' with them in opposition of the man, but niether of those are what I am about. I just need to know that, though I may always be respected, and though most will rarely agree with me, I am being heared and as understood as possible.

For me, I am certain, my 'first estate' is being a wife and mother. In this possibility of taking class that will demand much of my time away from the home, I will officially be 'leaving' my first estate but to better it and our family's potential future.

*lola* You seem to work with a lot of doctors. It seems I may be surrounded by a lot of 'patients'. <3
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Re: Wise Women
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 06:50:02 PM »

I dont fear losing any man...no woman should.  Even if you have made a man your sole financial security and he leaves...don't fear it...embrace it.

Marriages have become much more disposable.  It has its pros and cons.  Some marriages should be disposed of...and quickly! ;)  I am not sure how you referring to traditional roles of husband and wife tie in with independent growth as individuals..unless it is that very growth which doesnt allow for a marriage to sustain.



Having just spent an afternoon reading the blog of a friends-friend who lost her beloved husband and companion of 17 years... I think there are many valid reasons a strong, reasonable woman would fear such a loss. http://celestekaran.wordpress.com/
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 07:34:38 PM »

Having just spent an afternoon reading the blog of a friends-friend who lost her beloved husband and companion of 17 years... I think there are many valid reasons a strong, reasonable woman would fear such a loss. http://celestekaran.wordpress.com/

Tiki, thank you for linking that blog. That woman is a true inspiration.

I just wanted to say, that there is nothing wrong with depending on your significance other. My husband and I very much have a partnership together and that works for us. I am dependent on him, but he is just as much dependent on me. I am terrified of losing him, not because I couldn't make it without him or have financial security without his paycheck, but because my heart would break in two. I think you can still be a strong woman and be dependent on the one you love.
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