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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2014, 01:04:49 PM »

I had a friend post this on FB, and it opened my eyes a bit. I think it's one of the BEST explanations I've ever seen. Commentary written by Lady Bridget.


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The Wiccan Rede Explained

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The Wiccan Rede
(Also known as the Advice of the Wise)
(Commentary written by Lady Bridget )

Bide the Witches' Law ye must,
In perfect Love and perfect Trust.

Basically, this refers to Perfect Love and Trust in the Lord and Lady, not necessarily in a human person. Remember, all witches are human first, and they will have the same faults and shortcomings as everyone else. Honor them for their knowledge and experience, but don't expect them to be saints!

Live and let all else live, Fairly take and fairly give.

Pretty self-explanatory...

First tread the Circle thrice about
To keep unwelcome spirits out.

This refers to casting the circle first with your athame, sword, staff, or whatever tool you use, then casting again around fully with salt & water, then a third casting is done with the Incense. (Not necessarily in that order - it goes by tradition)

To bind the spell well every time,
Let the spell be spake in rhyme.

This refers to your "younger self" or subconscious mind, which hears and reacts more quickly and more fully to rhymes and chants. It also makes it fun for your inner child, and this will enhance your magickal workings.
Light of eye and soft of touch,
Speak ye little, listen much.

"Light of eye" is an injunction against staring forcefully at another, and comes from the Stregan "evil eye.? And the second line has always been sage advice.

Honor the Old Ones in deed and name,
Let love and light be our guides again.

Similar to "Honor thy father and mother,? but this means anyone elder, not just family. Somehow politeness is being lost in today's society.

Deosil go by the waxing moon,
Sing and Dance the joyful rune.

"Deosil" means clock-wise, or sun-wise, and the waxing moon is from New Moon to just before the Full Moon, while the moon is "filling out.? This is the time to ask for what you want to have joyful in your life. "Rune" is another name for spell, but specifically a rhymed, chanted, spell working. This is evolved from the use of a single rune (such as today are used for divination) to represent the person's desire.

Widdershins by the waning moon,
Chanting out the baneful rune.

Now "widdershins" is counter clockwise, and the waning moon is after the full moon, when it is "dwindling." This is the time to get rid of unwanted habits, weight, bad feelings, or anything you wish to be rid of. "Baneful" comes from "banish" and that's what it means.

When the Lady's moon is new,
Kiss the hand to Her times two.

It was the custom in days gone before to send kisses to the New Moon. It must have been a very wide spread custom as I have seen references to the Inquisition warning people that those who did it would be closely watched for signs of heresy and witchcraft!

When the moon rides at Her peak
Then your heart's desire seek.

This of course is the Full Moon, and the time when the magick of the Moon is at full power.

Heed the North winds' mighty gale,
Lock the door and trim the sail.

These next four verses are "wind wisdom" and refer to the times when the wind comes from the four directions, and also refers to the four seasons. The North wind is well known for the winter storms it brings. Lock everything up tight!

When the Wind blows from the East,
Expect the new and set the feast.

The second line refers to the tendency the East wind has to bring changes, and unexpected visitors.

When the wind comes from the South,
Love will kiss thee on the mouth.

The warm southern wind brings Springtime, when young fancies turn to romance.

When the wind blows from the West,
Departed souls will have no rest.

The West is the direction that the souls of those passing on to the Summerland will take. (I suppose they have to work harder when the wind is against them!)

Nine woods in the Cauldron go,
Burn them fast and burn them slow.

Nine woods are placed in the Beltain fires and each one is significant.

Birch in the fire goes
To represent what the Lady knows.
Oak in the forest towers with might
In the fire it brings the God's insight.
Rowan is a tree of power
Causing life and magick to flower.
Willows at the waterside stand
Ready to help us to the Summerland.
Hawthorn is burned to purify
And to draw faerie to your eye.
Hazel-the tree of wisdom and learning-
Adds its strength to the bright fire burning.
White are the flowers of Apple tree
That brings us fruits of fertility.
Grapes grow upon the vine
Giving us both joy and wine.
Fir does mark the evergreen
To represent immortality seen.
Elder is the Lady's tree
Burn it not or cursed you'll be.

Count them, Elder is the 10th tree, and the Balefire only gets Nine. This is a warning to those who would burn the elder, and refers to the English elder, but I don't burn the American one either.

Four times the Major Sabbats mark
In the light and in the dark.

I want to clear up a point: "Major" doesn't refer to the Sabbats' importance, all are equally important. Rather, it refers to us celebrating these Sabbats at the height of the Season, when the Sun reaches 15º in one of the four Cardinal Astrological signs that mark each season.

As the old year starts to wane
The new begins, it's now Samhain.

Samhain, or Halloween as it is called in the United States, is the Witches' New Year, and marks the first Sabbat on the Wheel of the Year. It occurs at 15º Scorpio, or is traditionally dated October 31st.

When the time for Imbolg shows
Watch for flowers through the snows.

Imbolg occurs at 15º Aquarius, or is traditionally dated February 2nd.

When the wheel begins to turn
Soon the Beltaine fires will burn

Beltaine occurs at 15º Taurus, or is traditionally dated May 1st.

As the wheel turns to Lammas night
Power is brought to magick rite.

Lammas or Lughnasadh occurs at 15º Leo, or is traditionally dated August 1st.

Four times the Minor Sabbats fall
Use the Sun to mark them all.

Now these Sabbats are called "Minor" simply because they happen at the start of the season, when the sun is just entering the Fixed Astrological signs of the four seasons. All of the Sabbats are considered "solar,? meaning that they are calculated by the sun. Esbats are the Lunar celebrations calculated by the phases of the Moon.

When the wheel has turned to Yule
Light the log the Horned One rules.

Yule, or Winter Solstice occurs at 0º Capricorn, or is traditionally dated December 21st.

In the spring, when night equals day
Time for Ostara to come our way.

Ostara, or Spring Equinox occurs at 0º Aries, or is traditionally dated March 21st.

When the Sun has reached it's height
Time for Oak and Holly to fight.

Litha, or Summer Solstice occurs at 0º Cancer, or is traditionally dated June 21st.

Harvesting comes to one and all
When the Autumn Equinox does fall.

Mabon, or Fall Equinox occurs at 0º Libra, or is traditionally dated September 21st.

Heed the flower, bush, and tree
By the Lady blessed you'll be.

All life is Sacred to the Goddess, and proper respect should be shown for the sacrifice of Her Creatures and Plants so that we may eat and survive.

Where the rippling waters go
Cast a stone, the truth you'll know.

This is referring to a water divination, where one tosses a pebble into the surface of still water to watch the ripples and divine the future.

When you have and hold a need,
Harken not to others greed.

One should not do magick out of greed, but out of need. So if someone offers you money to do a spell for them, what is your motivation? And that is theirs? Do you want to attract dependent people to you who could possibly put so many demands on your energy that you have no time for yourself? This one is thought provoking, isn't it?

With a fool no season spend
Nor be counted as his friend.

Or in other words, people know you by the company you keep....

Merry Meet and Merry Part
Bright the cheeks and warm the heart.

Also self explanatory... we're all pretty happy to see one another, and open expressions of affection are encouraged.

Mind the Three-fold Law you should
Three times bad and three times good.

The three-fold law refers to the belief that whatever you sent out, be it good or ill, will return to you three-fold. There is a common saying used these days - "What goes around, comes around." - which means much the same thing, except that we multiply that energy by three. Since "energy follows thought,? it seems it would be wise to avoid thinking negatively, because that's what you'll attract to you.

When misfortune is enow
Wear the star upon your brow.

In this form, it means to open your third eye and listen to your higher self/Spirit Guide/Guardian Angel whenerver you find yourself in difficulties. I was taught a slightly different variation: "Wear the blue star on your brow" which harkens back to the days of Welsh villages, and may be evolved from the blue crescent of woad worn on the foreheads of the Picts...

In love you must be ever true
Unless your love is false to you.

A witch does not give her or his word lightly... and a vow of true love is also not spoken lightly. However, if your lover is untrue to you they have already broken vows with you.

Eight words the Rede fulfil
"And it harm none, do what ye will.?

This "Rede" is the law by which Witches live, with harm to none. Harming none, includes not harming yourself. The term "Harm" and what actually contitutes harm to another being, is a convoluted concept, and requires thought and meditation on the part of the Witch, to weigh possible consequences of actions to see if harm will result. Also bear in mind that you have no right to do magick or cast spells on another person WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION! This IS considered harm, as you are forcing your will on them, even if you are doing a healing spell. This concept can be the most difficult for a person new to the Craft to grasp, yet it is the most important, and the cornerstone of our religion and beliefs. It makes you totally responsible for your actions and their results. If you have a dilemma, it's best to get another informed opinion before acting, especially if you are strongly and emotionally attached to the result.

The only person you can work all the magick you like for is yourself!


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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2014, 02:01:47 PM »

That's a lovely individual interpretation of a text that many can draw from....

However it's usually called the "Long" version of the Rede, (as Ashe already mentioned) and was published as "The Rede of the Wiccae" in 1975 by Lady Gwen Thompson, (or by Green Egg more specifically),and Gwen Thompson was not Wiccan....http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gwen_Thompson

Doreen Valiente coined the Rede as a later addition to the Craft, with it first being publicly known in 1964, which she expanded on later.

In the Book of Shadows I had to copy it just simply says, "Eight Words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An it harm none, do what you will," and it's not included as a "Law."
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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2014, 05:05:46 PM »

@ Kiara, I agree that "people in a position of authority" have a huge responsibility.  But foremost is our obligation to provide accurate information for Seekers, casual readers and anyone else who visits out site.  I can't alter the truth simply because a deranged person might go off the rails.  Wicca is a religion of free will governed by personal responsibility, and I will always do my best to see that our members get accurate information.

One of the first things I was taught in the Craft is that Wicca is not for the faint of heart, and it is not warm and fuzzy.  Quoted for truth.
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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2014, 07:13:52 PM »

Kiara, I found your post interesting and I thought about it awhile.  If I understand you correctly  you feel it's my responsibility to consider the safety Seekers and others when public statements are made.  Would this be correct?  That view is understandable and sounds reasonable at first.  But think about it from another view.  Do we REALLY want people (me, even) who are in positions of responsibility or whose opinions carry some weight in the Craft to decide for others what they should or shouldn't hear, or sanitize things "for their own good"? That's a very slippery slope indeed, and I hope my co-religionists never fall into it. 

I believe your intentions are the best, and noble too, but in the end we have to let individuals utilize their intelligence and make their own decisions about our religion.  We cannot sanitize or censor things that someone ostensibly MIGHT misuse.  Yes it's a trade off and not entirely without risk but ultimately the responsibility doesn't lie with the individual who disseminates information.  It lies with the person who acts upon it.  Goddess forbid we embrace a Nanny Wicca mentality.  Horrors!

So thanks for the food for thought and Blessings.
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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2014, 02:07:09 PM »

@ Kiara, I agree that "people in a position of authority" have a huge responsibility.  But foremost is our obligation to provide accurate information for Seekers, casual readers and anyone else who visits out site.  I can't alter the truth simply because a deranged person might go off the rails.  Wicca is a religion of free will governed by personal responsibility, and I will always do my best to see that our members get accurate information.

One of the first things I was taught in the Craft is that Wicca is not for the faint of heart, and it is not warm and fuzzy.  Quoted for truth.

Speaking as another in a position of authority, I have to say I agree Ashe.  I think you do hold yourself to a higher level of responsibility.  It's why, after much discussion, you were invited to be one of our Moderators... if somebody has an issue with that, they can take it up with me, and the other Council members, as we all share that same responsibility, and for more than 10 years, I've never taken that responsibility lightly.

Open communication is the sharing of ideas, not impressing them on others... no? 
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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2014, 02:10:49 PM »

@ Kiara, I agree that "people in a position of authority" have a huge responsibility.  But foremost is our obligation to provide accurate information for Seekers, casual readers and anyone else who visits out site.  I can't alter the truth simply because a deranged person might go off the rails.  Wicca is a religion of free will governed by personal responsibility, and I will always do my best to see that our members get accurate information.

One of the first things I was taught in the Craft is that Wicca is not for the faint of heart, and it is not warm and fuzzy.  Quoted for truth.

Speaking as another in a position of authority, I have to say I agree Ashe.  I think you do hold yourself to a higher level of responsibility.  It's why, after much discussion, you were invited to be one of our Moderators... if somebody has an issue with that, they can take it up with me, and the other Council members, as we all share that same responsibility, and for more than 10 years, I've never taken that responsibility lightly.

Open communication is the sharing of ideas, not impressing them on others... no? 

 
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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2014, 08:24:03 PM »

 Do you feel that the Earth's energies have changed or shifted since Beltane? Many traditions within the Craft see the  god predominating during the dark half of the year (Samhain to Beltane) and the goddess being the more dominant force during the light half (Beltane to Samhain).  Do you see a masculine emphasis in nature vs a predominating feminine influence depending on the time of year?  Why do you think this gender division came about in the way we think of the seasons?
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Re: The Lord and The Lady
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2014, 11:14:03 AM »

"Harm"? 

What IS "harm"?  What is boon to me may well be bane to you.

The admonition against "harm" is one that guides us to do nothing half-arsed, nothing that isn't thought out.  There is no reason one can't/shouldn't use whatever techniques available in defense of one's self or family.

As to the OP...The "Lord & Lady" or "G-d & G-ddess" or <insert deity names here> are diune.  (cf "triune" for the Abrahmic deity).  In other words, WE, as humans, use the masculine and feminine to sort out the creator / destroyer aspects of the universe....(cf Shiva / Kali).

It is all about duality and the balance thereto.

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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2014, 05:48:38 PM »

But the sticky point to me - and I may be being dense here - how can you have a diune concept of divinity without gender stereotyping?  Isn't this basically a cataloging system that requires some assumptions about gender roles?
As a hard polytheist I find this less problematic but I know many Wiccans are duotheists.  I'm not knocking it I'm just trying to understand the rationale and how people deal with the pitfalls in cataloging male/female attributes.

Hoping you're not all face palming here but I feel I'm missing something critical.
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2014, 09:35:38 AM »

But the sticky point to me - and I may be being dense here - how can you have a diune concept of divinity without gender stereotyping? 

Isn't this basically a cataloging system that requires some assumptions about gender roles?

As a hard polytheist I find this less problematic but I know many Wiccans are duotheists.  I'm not knocking it I'm just trying to understand the rationale and how people deal with the pitfalls in cataloging male/female attributes.

Hoping you're not all face palming here but I feel I'm missing something critical.

You can't.

Yes.  Because it isn't about roles.

I don't see any "pitfalls".

Wicca is, at it's most essential level, a Nature-Fertility based mystery religion.  While the practitioners, (and, indeed, the L&L), tend to not care if you're straight male, female, asexual or any other orientation or identification you want to apply, the crux here is that in most circumstances within Nature, (saving, of course, species that reproduce parthenogenically or by simple cellular division),  it "takes two".  It's down the same road of balance as light / dark, positive / negative, bitter / sweet, day / night.  It's not that complicated.  No matter who you are or how you identify, you are aware that the basics require that duality. 
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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2014, 12:16:41 PM »

Do you feel that the Earth's energies have changed or shifted since Beltane? Many traditions within the Craft see the  god predominating during the dark half of the year (Samhain to Beltane) and the goddess being the more dominant force during the light half (Beltane to Samhain).  Do you see a masculine emphasis in nature vs a predominating feminine influence depending on the time of year?  Why do you think this gender division came about in the way we think of the seasons?

Ashe could you explain a little more about the last sentence in this quote, please?
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2014, 04:34:34 PM »

I wondered if people have any ideas why the dark half of the year is seen as masculine and the light half as feminine?  In some Wiccan and Neo-Wiccan traditions the HP predominates over the coven during the dark half of the year and the HPS predominates after Beltane.  So what is there about the seasons and the Earth's energies that seem to favor one gender or the other depending on the time of the year? 

Any ideas out there?
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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2014, 10:35:34 PM »

H'mm.....

I've always felt darkness, mystery, intuition, the dark hidden places of the Earth, moonlight, winter as a time for contemplation, gestation, giving birth to the new year, to be feminine in character, while the qualities of light, intellect, rationality, the emphasis on outward things, secrets laid bare, sunlight, seem (relatively speaking) masculine ......

But that's just me, and everyone knows I'm weird.....

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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2014, 04:54:01 AM »

Ah, but Alchy that illustrates a point I touched on earlier.  How can you categorize intuition as feminine and intellect as masculine without buying into stereotypes?
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2014, 05:43:05 AM »

I've never considered there to be a masculine and feminine aspect of the year, the cycle rotates and both are needed as the year turns.... just my opinion though.
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